Can we please stop with this? It's damaging to the language and the community.
I am a strong believer of STH, no surprise there, but I do not think this thread should have been created. Is the php voting process uncontrolled and chaotic with no real count of voting members? Hell yes. This does not mean by far that this is the right time to discuss this. Let the RFCs go their way and once feature freeze is in and no more RFCs popping up for a while, the process can be discussed and optimised, if the case may be. All in all STH has turned into this big charade, and no matter which way it goes someone, there are going to be a lot of future friction and "told you so's". In terms of managers, we do have a release manager, stick to that for the 7.0 release, re-evaluate after. My 2 cents, Stelian On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Thomas Bley <ma...@thomasbley.de> wrote: > > Which post says that we're turning PHP into Java > > I think there are people who want to switch from Java to PHP, maybe they > feel easier with declare(strict...). > Also in the past, some companies switched from PHP to Java because they > wanted more strictness in their backend code. > > I don't like declare(strict...), but we should give it a chance in > practice and then every userland developer can decide on his own if his > programming style fits to it, or not. > For me personally, I must admit that I am not using namespaces, traits and > goto, but almost all other features of PHP :) > > Regards > Thomas > > > Derick Rethans wrote on 15.03.2015 20:07: > > > Rowan Collins <rowan.coll...@gmail.com> schreef op 15 maart 2015 > 17:59:17 > > GMT+00:00: > >>On 15/03/2015 14:19, Anthony Ferrara wrote: > >>> All, > >>> > >>> I ran some numbers on the current votes of the dual-mode vote right > >>> now. There were a number of voters that I didn't recognize. So I > >>> decided to pull some stats. > >>> > >>> The following voters never voted before the dual-mode RFC went up: > >>> > >>> dom - no > >>> eliw - no > >>> kguest - yes > >>> kk - no > >>> nohn - no > >>> oliver - yes > >>> richsage - yes > >>> sammywg - no > >>> spriebsch - no > >>> srain - no > >>> theseer - no > >>> zimt - no > >>> > >>> Some of these names I recognize from list (sammywg and eliw), but > >>many I do not. > >>> > >>> The interesting thing happens when you look at the voting direction. > >>> > >>> Currently, the RFC is slightly losing 70:37 (65.4%). > >>> > >>> If we look at percentages, 4.2% of yes voters have never voted in a > >>> prior RFC. But a whopping 24.3% of no voters have never voted before. > >> > >>I think calling this an "irregularity" is going a bit far. > > I don't think it's going to far, if you have people with no clue writing > this: > > > > https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/ijoDNH2M8mB > > > > Which post says that we're turning PHP into Java. And to this misguided > FUD > > post, that actively asks people to vote no, I can quite easily attribute > a few > > more no votes of people that had never voted before... > > > > Too late to tighten up the rules for this one, but something is > definitely not > > right with the current process. > > > > Cheers, > > Derick > > -- > > http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org > > twitter: @derickr and @xdebug > > > > -- > > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >
