Hello, I don't understand why people complain about PHP in term of comparison; if they like more C# or python why don't just go there?
historically php is a kind of C like dialect with some perlish running thru an apache-mod giving the opportunity to break free from the CGI cumbersome world; the change-reload-zero-config was `magic`; writing web-forms became fast and easy. PHP has still this advantage (or regain it) fast and dirty; totally hindie. On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 10:58 AM Bishop Bettini <bis...@php.net> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 12:19 PM Olumide Samson <oludons...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019, 3:41 PM Bishop Bettini <bis...@php.net> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 5:21 PM Olumide Samson <oludons...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 9:20 PM Claude Pache <claude.pa...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > > Le 7 oct. 2019 à 22:06, Olumide Samson <oludons...@gmail.com> a > >>> écrit : > >>> > > > >>> > > What's the goal of PHP? > >>> > > >>> > One important goal is (like many programming languages) to get work > >>> done. > >>> > > >>> I disagree, coz this seems to be a goal cooked up by you(even if I > might > >>> believe in the general idea of that goal, I still can't believe it > until > >>> I > >>> see where it was outlined). > >>> > >> > >> I think the PHP web-site[1] supports Claude's statement: > >> > >> "PHP is a popular general-purpose scripting language that is especially > >> suited to web development. > >> Fast, flexible and pragmatic, PHP powers everything from your blog to > the > >> most popular websites in the world." > >> > >> The adjectives used: > >> > >> - General-purpose > >> - Fast > >> - Flexible > >> - Pragmatic > >> > >> The last one, pragmatic, applies to Claude's point. Various definitions > >> of pragmatic include: > >> > >> - "solving problems in a sensible way that suits the conditions that > >> really exist now, rather than obeying fixed theories, ideas, or > rules" [2] > >> - "of or relating to a practical point of view or practical > >> considerations." [3] > >> - "involving or emphasizing practical results rather than theories > >> and ideas" [4] > >> > >> With respect to Mark's proposal, deprecating back-ticks: maybe it's more > >> pragmatic to have a single, well-defined, and obvious way to invoke an > >> external process. Sure, yet PHP isn't just "pragmatic". It's also > flexible > >> and general-purpose. Flexible is the opposite of rigid, meaning there > are > >> circumstances where a second way, or even a third way, may provide more > >> practical utility than the single canonical interface. General-purpose > >> means a language is useful in many ways. PHP while "especially suited > for > >> web-development" is also useful as an ad-hoc shell scripting language > and, > >> in that context, back-ticks are welcomed. > >> > >> If we take back-ticks away, we hobble the "quick-scripting for personal > >> use" flexibility in favor of the enterprise-grade "distributed > development, > >> high code-reuse and review" architecture. That seems to run counter to > the > >> nature of PHP. > >> > >> [1]:https://www.php.net > >> [2]:https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/pragmatic > >> [3]:https://www.dictionary.com/browse/pragmatic > >> [4]: > https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/dictionary/american/pragmatic > >> > > > > That's written as "features" not "goals", you know what goal is? > > > > Goal is like a mission, a statement written to be taken seriously. > > Checkout python.org you will see an example of what goal is, written > > clearly as "mission" not "features and what it is/does". > > > > I rest my case. > > > > "The main goal of the language is to allow web developers to write > dynamically generated web pages quickly, but you can do much more with > PHP." [1] > > If you're referring to the mission of the Python Software Foundation, you > will not find an analogue in the PHP world. PHP does not have a steering > organization like that. The PHP Group holds copyright, but exercises no > sanctioned governance. "The people writing the code get to call the shots, > for better or worse." [2] We are a developer confederation, each individual > with their own goals who all have a passion for PHP the language, and we > work as best we can together to achieve them. It'd be nice to elevate our > confederation to a collective, with a steering board and clear guidance, > but that's -- perhaps -- a Sisyphean task. > [1]:https://www.php.net/manual/en/preface.php > [2]:https://externals.io/message/107079 >
