note that the industry has somewhat addressed that with the stored value
cards (that you find at video stores, coffee houses, department stores,
book stores, grocery stores, drug stores, etc). The same POS terminals now
process debit cards, credit cards, and stored value cards .... effectively
all going to the same backend merchant processor .... and the backend
merchant processor routing the transaction as appropriate.

as previously noted .... to some extent europe went with stored-value chip
cards doing offline transactions because of the telco infrastructure
barrier in the 80s & 90s (availability and costs). there wasn't a similar
telco barrier in the US .... and effectively the same stored-value facility
was provided by online transactions thru the existing POS infrastructure.

at 100,000 feet, the credit, debit and stored-value transaction processing
is nearly the same .... modulo various regulatory issues.

and of course ... x9.59 was designed to provided authenticated, secure
transactions .... regardless of the kind of transactions. x9.59 ref:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#x959

misc. past stored-value refs:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsmore.htm#eleccash re:The Law of Digital
Cash
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm2.htm#straw AADS Strawman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#digcash IP: Re: Why we don't use
digital cash
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#terror12 [FYI] Did Encryption
Empower These Terrorists?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm6.htm#pcards2 The end of P-Cards?
(addenda)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#pcards4 FW: The end of P-Cards?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm7.htm#idcard2 AGAINST ID CARDS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#cfppki12 CFP: PKI research workshop
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm9.htm#smallpay Small/Secure Payment
Business Models
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm11.htm#29 Proposal: A replacement for 3D
Secure
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#31 The Bank-model  Was: Employee
Certificates - Security  Issues
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aadsm12.htm#51 Frist Data Unit Says It's
Untangling Authentication
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#10 InfoSpace Buys ECash
Technologies
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/aepay10.htm#65 eBay Customers Targetted by
Credit Card Scam
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001m.html#4 Smart Card vs. Magnetic Strip
Market
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#22 Opinion on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#23 Opinion on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#24 Opinion on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002c.html#36 economic trade off in a pure
reader system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#41 Why?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#14 EMV cards
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#18 Opinion  on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#22 Opinion  on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002e.html#23 Opinion  on smartcard security
requested
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#34 Security and e-commerce
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#35 Security and e-commerce
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#40 e-commerce future
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#69 Digital signature
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#17 A new e-commerce security
proposal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#19 A new e-commerce security
proposal
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#55 Beware, Intel to embed digital
certificates in Banias
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#14 So how does it work...
(public/private key)

--
Internet trivia, 20th anv: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2/23/2003 7:29 am wrote:

Unfortunately, those nice things that banks have come with a significant
cost infrastructure.  It is that infrastructure that makes micropayments
cost prohibitive.  For example, suppose someone decided to compile a CD of
the tunes he likes.  He downloads several hundred songs.  He would have to
pay for each song (post Napster) and each song would generate a
transaction.  Consider what would be required to post each micropoayment
(think of lines of print on a checking account statement -- required, the
additional number of pages, additional postage, additional disk space to
support online lookups, etc.).  Then consider that the bank has to have the
infrastructure to support investigations of each of the charges.  The cost
adds up quickly.

The solutions we had worked on always involved aggregating transactions to
minimize the number of transactions posted to a bank account.  A nonbank
company has the legal ability to do this, a bank does not.

Alan



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