Wendy Thanks for starting this off and to James for challenging us straight off.
James I think 'change' needs an adjective, or it's too total a word to apply in practice. Change can be fast or slow; incremental or total; personal or organisational; transactional (internal to the system) or transformational (changing the system). Words are funny things. The idea of feasible change speaks oddly to me - feasible to whom and with respect to what? - unfeasible change would imply impossibililty of change, and I can't think of anything that couldn't change under some circumstances. Even the sun mightn't rise if there was a galaxy disturbance? But back to Wendy's question: I work with transformational social learning and collective thinking, and happy to share any of that. Wendy what insights have you found so far? Valerie > 1. Transformative change (Gregory, Wendy) > 2. Re: Transformative change (James Baines) >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From: "Gregory, Wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: <IntSci@learningforsustainability.net> >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:59:11 +1200 >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Subject: [IntSci] Transformative change >Message: 1 > >Hi all, > >I've been corresponding with Val Brown about an issue we have both been >grappling with and we have a question (well, two really!) that we would >like to ask of the IntSci group: > >Has anyone had success with ways to work within complex projects that >can open up fixed positions and enable transformative change? We would >like to start a dialogue on ways and means to effect transformative >change. > >We could start by agreeing that any effective intervention must be time >and place based, with the process and actions being chosen by those >involved and affected. What we are looking for is contributions to the >set of processes already in use which are structured and disciplined - >i.e., they have already been trialled in a number of contexts and been >found to be useful in helping people explore the contexts and >consequences of the situations they are trying to deal with. > >(And here's the second question ;-)): > >Would it be useful to others in the mailing list if we get to hear about >some examples of how different people have used different processes for >exploring and re-framing issues and going on achieve transformative >action? > >Thanks, > >Wendy > > > >P Think before you print >This e-mail transmission and any attachments that accompany it may contain >information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt from >disclosure under applicable law and is intended solely for the use of the >individual(s) to whom it was intended to be addressed. >If you have received this e-mail by mistake, or you are not the intended >recipient, any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or other >use or retention of this communication or its substance is prohibited. 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We would >>like to start a dialogue on ways and means to effect transformative >>change. >> >>We could start by agreeing that any effective intervention must be time >>and place based, with the process and actions being chosen by those >>involved and affected. What we are looking for is contributions to the >>set of processes already in use which are structured and disciplined - >>i.e., they have already been trialled in a number of contexts and been >>found to be useful in helping people explore the contexts and >>consequences of the situations they are trying to deal with. >> >>(And here's the second question ;-)): >> >>Would it be useful to others in the mailing list if we get to hear about >>some examples of how different people have used different processes for >>exploring and re-framing issues and going on achieve transformative >>action? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Wendy >> >> >> >>P Think before you print >>This e-mail transmission and any attachments that accompany it may >>contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise exempt >>from disclosure under applicable law and is intended solely for the use >>of the individual(s) to whom it was intended to be addressed. >>If you have received this e-mail by mistake, or you are not the intended >>recipient, any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or other >>use or retention of this communication or its substance is prohibited. 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