On Jan 12, 8:42 pm, Rick Schramm <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > I think Roger missed the point of this entire group.
>
> LOL. Seems lately it is to complain about "Roger."
Welcome back "Roger"...errr.... Rick
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> > The original intent of iPhoneWebDev, was to support WEB developers who
> > were trying to make their sites more iPhone friendly, not to supplant
> > native apps. In fact the group was started prior to the existance of
>
> I think you missed most (if not all) of what Roger was talking about.
Roger never really said anything... or at least nothing of value.
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> > any API/SDK for building native apps.
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> > I do agree with Roger that trying to "fool the users and/or the Apple
> > Store into seeing a Web app as a native app is clearly folly",
> > however, it is not folly to try to improve the usability of existing
> > web content and being able to render a better user experience for the
> > iPhone users who would browse those sites.
>
> Agreed. But iUI is a big step in the wrong direction.
Direction? Tools don't offer direction, unless it's a compass
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>
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> > Native apps clearly have an advantage over web apps since they can
> > make better use of the underlying native hardware at native speeds,
> > whereas web apps must rely on the interpretation and emulation of code
> > from within the browser. Using tools such as big5 and phonegap does
> > help a little towards building "native-like" web apps within a native
> > app shell, but still can't match the performance of an app built
> > entirely in native code. I personally have used big5/phonegap and have
> > successfully submitted 20 apps to the appstore, with one of the titles
> > actually in the top 100. I wasn't proud of the performance, but it got
> > the job done, and after all, at the end of the day that's what's
> > important.
>
> You might do better if you pay attention to what JS developers (like
> Roger) post.
Why would I want to pay any more attention to your diatribes than I
already have.
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>
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> > Frameworks like iUI served their purpose, they allowed the early
>
> What purpose?
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> > developers of iPhone Web Apps to build list based apps that had a
>
> Lists are HTML.
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> > somewhat similar look-and-feel of native apple apps. Did it match the
>
> That's CSS.
>
> > performance? NO. Did it get the job done? YES. Could it be improved?
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> Done in what way? Anything built on top of iUI is junk by association
> (same for any Website built on jQuery, Prototype or the like.) See
> how history repeats itself?
>
> > YES. Kudos to Joe Hewitt for his contribution to the iPhone community
>
> Stop shouting. And it would have been better if he kept his demo to
> himself. I am sure he didn't envision it being recommended as a
> "framework" years later.
I guess you now speak for Joe too?
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> > during those early days. Even bigger Kudos to the hundreds of active
> > participants in this forum who've helped others improve their
>
> Nope. Boo to most of the "contributors." This group sets mobile Web
> development back a decade (and the party's over.)
Whatever you say man, as you are the expert in mobile web development.
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> > understanding of how to develop for the iPhone. While I've only used
> > iUI in one web app, the discussions in this group helped immensely
>
> One too many.
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> > during my repurposing of my own websites so that they could be viewed
> > better on an iPhone. Over the past 2 years, I've been able to
> > "iPhonify" almost 100 of my web apps, with lots of help from the
> > information gained on here and other groups.
>
> Mostly on other groups I suspect. The mantra here seems to be "pick a
> framework" (never mind if they are all junk.) Sound familiar?
Nope.
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>
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> > I will always be a proponent of the community approach to solving
>
> Same here.
>
> > problems, and iPhoneWebDev was/is a great place to work out those
> > problems related to building functioning web sites tailored to iPhone
> > users.
>
> Not so much (up until recently!)
Guess that's why we all have opinions, and mine is that this group has
helped many, and I hope it continues to.
Moderator: Sorry for wasting so much of the bandwidth on this non-
sense. I'll try not to respond anymore to Roger/Rick posts.
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