>>>>> On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:56:52 +0100 (CET), 
>>>>> Erik Nordmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>> >  - 11.4: there is a discussion about MTUs and extra headers added by

(snip)

>> So, I'd propose to clarify that the MTU is an "IP MTU" (in your
>> definition above) and can be larger than the actual current path MTU
>> when the kernel inserts additional headers.  Is it okay with you?

> I think the philosophical question is deeper.
> Knowing the size of IP packets that can be sent without IP fragmentation
> (the path mtu) isn't that useful to an application when IP might add a
> variable amount of headers to the packet and the transport might in
> theory do the same.

> What would be useful to the application is something
> like "MAX_UNFRAGMENTED_SEND_SIZE"
> i.e. the largest amount of data that can be passed to send/sendto 
> without causing IP fragmentation.

> Today with UDP over IPv6 the difference between this and path MTU is
> just a constant.
> But with mobile IP the sending IP stack some times inserts home address options
> and/or routing headers in which case the difference isn't constant.

> Of course, applications using sendmsg with ancillary data have more problems
> in this area since they need to know what size headers result from
> the ancillary data items they pass down e.g. that IPV6_HOPLIMIT
> doesn't add headers but IPV6_DSTOPTS does add.

(As a "philosophical" argument) I agree with all the points.  But as
for the API document, we should (or can) just keep the current text,
as Francis agreed in his message.

>> >  - 11.5: is IPV6_REACHCONF really useful (example)?
>> 
>> Honestly, I personally do not see a practical usage of this option.
>> At least I've never seen an application that uses it.  I don't mind to
>> remove this, but if any other person wants to keep it, I'll just leave
>> the current text as is.  The definition has been there since a quite
>> old revision of the draft, and it can at least be implemented.

> An application like a DNS resolver library might pass this down
> on a sendmsg when it has recently gotten a reply from the same server.
> But the saving of the NUD probe in this case isn't yet a strong enough 
> motivation to pass down IPV6_REACHCONF. It's hard to tell whether this
> motivation will be stronger in the future.

Agreed, so, are you okay with removing this section?

                                        JINMEI, Tatuya
                                        Communication Platform Lab.
                                        Corporate R&D Center, Toshiba Corp.
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