Pekka Savola wrote: <SNIP>
> I don't know about the rest of the world, but here in Finland it's > relatively common to build DSL networks using bridged ATM > encapsulation, > rather than routed ATM encapsulation, or PPPoE (PPPoA is > another issue). > (From IPv4 perspective, this has the benefit that the ISP can > use public > IP addresses better -- no need for NATting DSL router). > > In this scenario, the DSL router just acts as a smart bridge. > > Native IPv6 works just fine through the DSL router/bridge which knows > nothing about IPv6. Which I have at my home, but... unfortunatly for me the Redback SMS on which my ADSL line terminates doesn't do IPv6, so I am out of luck there. There is a small possibility though that my upstream ISP will mirror out the IPv6 data to anothere router which could then take care of it. Fortunatly my line terminates at AMS-IX, thus it's only 1ms to our IPng.nl tunnelbox, thus at least latency isn't an issue using it tunneled. Cistron does have an sTLA now fortunatly, so they are aware of IPv6. (And they did do IPv6 back in 1998 already, sad that their hw doesn't do it :( Thus not only the enduser should be able to do it, but the provider side too. The enduser is going to need to upgrade their OS most of the time at the moment. But that shouldn't be a big issue, another point is ofcourse: applications... > Deploying IPv6 in (some) DSL networks doesn't need to be > complex, quite the contrary... Indeed, that's why Xs4all (www.xs4all.nl) provides a second service called PowerDSL which does go over the abovementioned bbned network and thus now they do provide native IPv6. Their first 'mxstream' service from KPN, which is a form of adsl too uses PPTP tunnels though and I don't think KPN has enough clue for enabling IPv6 over them :( Chello does native IPv6 to many endusers even though the endusers aren't aware. Which is not a good thing either imho, awareness is something we should focus on too. Maybe there should be a big 'these ISP's do Retail IPv6' list? And not only for the US, but for the complete world. Looking at my GRH TLA stats: http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/tla/ APNIC: 92 of which 29 didn't get announced ARIN: 42 ........ 16 ... RIPE: 139 ........ 43 ... But ofcourse ISP's giving access to endusers could be among the working ones... Greets, Jeroen -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------
