In case there was any doubt that the WG has no clue what the vote meant,
read the current thread 'Accept hain/templin draft as wg item?'. While many
were focused on removing ambiguity, there are others who still believe it
was about removing scope. Since scope is about describing bounds of
reachability it is an operations function, and outside the realm of the
IETF's ability to deprecate. The original question was ambiguous and must be
voided. If the chairs were to ask specific questions, I believe they would
find the real WG consensus.

Tony


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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Hain
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:36 AM
> To: 'Steven M. Bellovin'
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: FW: AD response to Site-Local Appeal 
> 
> 
> Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
> > Tony -- to make life easier for all concerned, please state
> > explicitly 
> > what recourse you're asking for from the IESG.  As things 
> stand now, 
> > even if we agreed with everything you say, we wouldn't know exactly 
> > what you want us to do.  
> 
> I thought I did:
> 'The declaration of consensus must be overturned as an abuse 
> of the process.'
> 
> I guess I am not sure what you are looking for since there is 
> little else the IESG can do. Would kre's more explicit and 
> directive choice of words have been better? 'The IESG must 
> instruct the ipv6 WG chairs that they erred in determining 
> that there was consensus on this issue, that the procedures 
> were flawed, and that the IETF does not count votes to 
> determine consensus, or rough consensus.'
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
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