On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, Michel Py wrote: > >>> Pekka Savola wrote: > >>> Sure, but there are also other ways to obtain addresses. > > >> Michel Py wrote: > >> Really? Would you care naming one available today? > > > a) talk to your ISP (or one of its upstreams), which his > > hopefully a LIR, or b) talk to any LIR, and pay him e.g. > > 100$/mo. He'll gladly give you address space even though > > you don't want physical connectivity at all. > > Is that what you call a solution available today? You have not been > listening. 1. I don't want to pay for it.
Too bad.. life sucks sometimes :-). Do you also want your domain name for free? If you're satisfied with a sub-domain, you might get a portion of address space from the similar source. > 2. I don't want that space to > be reallocated to someone else if the LIR I got it from goes belly up. > Hijacking is less risky. > > Now, it a part of each LIR space was earmarked for that purpose and if > there was a RIR policy that says that if LIR space is reallocated to a > new LIR the new LIR has to honor address assignments made by the old one > that would be another story. jj, where's your draft? Consider the business model. If LIR goes belly-up, more often than not someone else buys its business (at least the customers :-). I don't know if any LI, with customers, have really ceased operations all (Enterprise LIRs are a different thing, but irrelevant in this context), but I'd like to hear if that has happened. Now, as the new owner of the dead LIR gets paid every year, it has every incentive to honor the earlier address space assignments. It can always get more for itself from RIR. On the other hand, if you'd only have to pay a one-time fee, no ISP would like to care about these "private non-users". By keeping the cash flow (even a small one, if there are enough folks interested in it..) steady, the ISP is happy. Compare it to paying for the domain names enterprises use. Not much difference here, I think. So, we have a working business model for ISPs to provide locally usable addresses. They don't even have to be expensive :-). -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPng Working Group Mailing List IPng Home Page: http://playground.sun.com/ipng FTP archive: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/ipng Direct all administrative requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------
