On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Tero Kivinen wrote:

> Frederic Detienne writes:
>> Again, I urge you to be specific because there is nothing tangible
>> in your claims. I understand what you mean but if you rationalized
>> it, you would see your intuition fools you. 
> 
> When one does not know what problem we are really solving and what
> security and other requirements that problem has, it is very hard to
> be specific about anything.
> 
> On the other hand when some comments related to the problems that were
> fixed more than 5 years ago (and that work was started EXACTLY 10
> years ago), so that does affect my feeling on the issue.
> 
> Btw. draft-ietf-ikev2-00 was published 2001-11-16....

draft-ietf-ipsec-ikev2-00



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