Hi Paul,

We should explain that current MTI group is the group 2. However, users shall 
not use that group and the group. We should create a similar statement for SHA1 
in signatures.

If a system has interoperability issue with the requirement, a user needs to 
upgrade his or her system. If she or he ignores our requirement/recommendation 
and uses the group 2 (or group 5), none of us can stop them from doing that and 
our requirement would become a great reminder to her or him that what he or she 
is doing is bad and does not comply with our recommendations.

Regards,
Quynh.



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From: Paul Wouters <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 11:50:09 AM
To: Dang, Quynh (Fed)
Cc: IPsecME WG
Subject: Re: [IPsec] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipsecme-rfc4307bis-08.txt

On Wed, 11 May 2016, Dang, Quynh (Fed) wrote:

> As I explained before, the group numbers  5 and 2 should become "MUST NOT" 
> because they don't provide 112 bits of security.

Checking RFC 4307, group 2 was MUST- so it should go to SHOULD NOT but
_maybe_ can go to MUST NOT.

For some reason, group 5 was not listed in RFC 4307, so it mist have been a MAY,
which would allow us to go to MUST NOT. But it would be weird to have
group 2 SHOULD NOT and group 5 MUST NOT.

Personally, I have no problem with IKEv2 dropping group 2/5. All IKEv2
clients should have defaulted to group 14 for years now. Obviously, I
won't kick group 2/5 out of IKEv1.

> And, all signatures with SHA1 should become "MUST NOT".

SHA1 was a MUST, so we cannot go to MUST NOT. Instead of MUST- we could
go to SHOULD NOT. But I don't know how widespread SHA1 is with IKEv2.

Paul

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