On Mon, 23 May 2016, Hu, Jun (Nokia - US) wrote:

[HJ] this part is a bit confusing for me, if we don't use TLS level encryption, then 
what's the benefit of using TLS over plain TCP encapsulation?  In fact, I don't know why 
TLS encapsulation is needed at all, it is said in the draft that " The security of 
the IKEv2 session is entirely derived from the IKVEv2 negotiation and key 
establishment", so encryption/authentication of TLS level are not needed at all.

To get past middleware boxes that tend to not touch "real" TLS traffic
but mangle anything else.

Paul

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