Hi Paull,

pidloc is a new non-WG list, we are looking for mainly privacy and also
security experts to join the list.
Whether or not IKE/ipsec related we will see, right now we just have
sort-of Problem Statement document and we will go from there.

We encourage all interested parties to subscribe.

Behcet
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Paul Wouters <[email protected]> wrote:

> None of this seems related to ipsec and things should be discussed
> elsewhere.
>
> If there is a component related to IKE or IPsec, please clarify as your
> list archive or the draft you link to provide information showing this to
> be on topic here.
>
> Paul
>
> Sent from my phone
>
> On Aug 10, 2018, at 10:18, Behcet Sarikaya <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> IPSEC chairs: please approve this non-member post.
>
>
> A new IETF non-working group email list has been created.
>
> List address: [email protected]
> Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/pidloc/
> To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pidloc
>
> Purpose:
>  In IdLoc protocols like LISP, ILA, etc.  separation between (fixed)
> Identifier and (dynamic) Location is proposed to find optimum path for data
> packets to/from moving devices
>
> The threats against privacy in IdLoc protocols include
>
> location privacy where if a third party can at any time determine the IP
> location of some identifier, then the device can at one point be IP
> geolocated and
>
> movement privacy where if a third party can determine that an identifier
> has changed locator(s) at time T, then even without knowing the
> particular locators
> before and after, it can correlate this movement event with other
> information to create a binding between the identifier and a person.
>
> Privacy and security work is needed both in control and data plane
>
> There is an existing draft https://www.ietf.org/id/
> draft-nordmark-id-loc-privacy-00.txt that is expected to serve as a
> starting point.
>
> The work is expected to clear the way for a wider acceptance/deployment
> of IdLoc protocol. This may open new application areas such as in future
> mobile networks.
>
> In future mobile networks more efficient differentiation of packet
> handling according to specific service demands (QoS) are expected.
> Traditional
> tunneling and encapsulation between IP addresses (= Id and/or Loc) have
> disadvantages
>
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