> > I think that using PAKE for road warriors is more important than for
> > site-to-site VPNs. In the latter case the SGWs are usually administered
> > by (presumably :-)) experienced administrators, who can select a 
> > high-entropy
> > PSK, and these PSKs need not to be memorable by users. So, generally
> > speaking,
> > it is more secure to use good PSK than passwords (since any PAKE defends
> > only
> 
> If we assume highly competent administrators, then we don't need a PAKE
> at all.   

For remote access where certificates or raw public key cannot
be used, PAKE is extremely useful.

> What I heard from the IPsecME record was that many in the room
> felt that this was where ther was a weakness.

I see this as a social issue, not a technical one. We can't prevent
administrators from being careless, either with PSKs or with passwords.

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