Paul Wouters <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> As I understand it, marking something as Historic is something the IESG 
can
    >>> do without publishing a document.  The changes to the IANA registries 
I'm
    >>> less clear about, but I believe it could also be done without a 
document.
    >>
    >> To move to historic, there should be some form of document (per
    >> https://www.ietf.org/blog/iesg-statement-designating-rfcs-historic/) but 
it
    >> need not be published as an RFC.  The past few times we've done this
    >> everyone involved had to think for a while to remember what the right way
    >> to wrangle the wording in the published RFC should be, but we can worry
    >> about that later if we need to.

    > Historic really means "no longer used", which we all hope would be the
    > case for IKEv1, but sadly is not. Seeing how a billion android devices
    > only support IKEv1, I think "historic" is really not the correct action
    > at this point.

I don't think that the IETF has any other levers.
Marking it as historic does mess up procurement mechanisms, if they actually
pay attention to that.

I know that the Google Android team are aware of the lack, but it seems
that it is not a priority.  This is sad, but the IETF works with carrots, not
sticks.

But, to be clear: I'd like the WG to adopt your document, and I'd like it to
be the basis for *something*.

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