Thus spake "Jeroen Massar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Scott Leibrand wrote:
ULA-C and PI space will likely both cost about the same,
and your brother could likely afford either. The issue isn't
so much dollar cost as availability: your brother likely
doesn't qualify for PI space (unless he can justify efficient
use of a /22), but he could get ULA-C just by asking.
Wow, a /22 IPv6 space, that is a big chunk. But I assume
you mean /22 IPv4. What has IPv4 to do with IPv6 ...
The least controversial means of getting PIv6 passed was to say that orgs
qualified for it if they also qualified for PIv4. That bar is presently 256
hosts (25% of a /22) if you're multihomed or 1024 hosts (25% of a /20) if
you're not.
ARIN recently rejected a proposal to reduce the PIv4 bar to a /24 (i.e. 64
hosts); there was a bit of grumbling about routing table bloat, but that was
_by far_ overshadowed by concerns about spammers.
and moreover why is that ARIN policy being forced upon
the IETF thus leading to ULA-C and then leading to heavily
hinting ARIN to provide ULA-C as a way out.
You have it backwards. Certain people in this WG were trying to force ULA-C
on the community two years ago, and ARIN responded by passing PIv6. That
killed ULA-C, but it has risen from the dead and is again terrorizing the
populace. What do we need to do to kill it for good this time? Garlic?
Holy water?
Clearly ULA-C is just "cheap address space", nothing more
nothing less.
There is no reason to think that the RIRs' cost of registering and managing
a /48 in fc00::/8 will be any less than the cost of registering and managing
a /48 in 2000::/3. Since all of the RIRs operate on a cost-recovery basis,
that means the fees should be the same. Ergo, ULA-C will not be any cheaper
under the currently proposed model.
And the sole reason for a possible existence seems to be
that the policies in RIR land do not allow everybody to get
address space the way they want to. Instead of changing
the RIR policies, ULA-C gets invented.
Then it's time to either fix the policies or solve the id/loc problem.
The RIR community effectively blocks people from getting
address space on the premise that "but that costs routing
slots", ... and then on top of that basing that decision on
IPv4 address space usage, wow.
Qualification, not usage. ARIN does not actually require you to apply for
PIv4 space (or have a v4 network at all for that matter) in order to get
PIv6 space.
S
Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything
CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
K5SSS --Isaac Asimov
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