On 29 Jun 2007, at 7:36pm, Scott Leibrand wrote:

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The RIRs currently require small networks to get provider aggregatable (PA) space from their provider(s).

This just isn't true. Both APNIC and the RIPE NCC will assign prefixes longer than an IPv4 /24. APNIC even document the fact quite nicely where they say "There is no minimum assignment size for portable assignments made under these terms".

http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/add-manage-policy.html#11.1

Over the last two years the RIPE NCC has assigned about 2800 prefixes longer than /22 and APNIC have made over 200. It's all there in the statistics files that the RIRs publish every day on their FTP sites.

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I think that ULA-C is a really really bad idea because of this.

Perhaps. But just as "Democracy is the worst form of government there is, except for all the others we've tried", I think ULA-C is better than what's available now, and more practical in the near term than a PI-for-everyone utopia.

The fact that IPv6 PI space exists at all is due to the action of individuals working through the RIR public policy process to create it. Some of the same individuals, recognizing they've pushed as far as they can toward liberalizing PI for now, would like to create additional flexibility for small networks to use IPv6 in a way that suits their needs. In order to avoid creating an IPv6 "swamp", those individuals have asked the IETF to standardize a new form of registered private IP space out of a single common global netblock, and allow the RIRs to begin allocating/assigning that space to registrants. Their attempts to do so are being met with cries of "why don't you just liberalize PI." Do you see the irony here?

I can see that people will grab some ULA-C space if it becomes available. But I've not yet read a good definition of where it won't be routable while I've read at least one statement confirming that ULA-C routes would be accepted if they were offered.

The core problem seems to be a very soft definition of "local". If that's firmed up then there might be a way to convince people that ULA-C can be restricted to "local" networks and not be used as a way of getting cheaper PI space, or a way of getting PI space where the RIR doesn't have a policy supporting its assignment.

Regards,

Leo

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