Hi,

At a first glance, IronLab looks nice.

The License is LGPL, so I think it cannot be part of the main IronPython 
distribution.

OTOH, they’re using “NumPy and SciPY for IronPython / .NET” which seems 
abandoned, but used to be maintained by the PTVS people:
http://pytools.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=NumPy%20and%20SciPy%20for%20.Net
However, I could not locate the source repository of those libraries…


Btw, I found a serious drawback on my previous suggestion to use C++/CLI: It’s 
hardly platform independent that way, as there’s no C++/CLI Compiler (yet) 
which works on non-windows platforms.


Best regards

Markus Schaber

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A project exists called IronLab (https://github.com/rwg0/ironlab) that works 
with both numpy and scipy. Maybe we can leverage what was done in IronLab to 
support numpy? I think it uses the code developed by Enthought, not sure if 
it's OSS.

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Hi,

Another way might be to use C++/CLI and the NumPy sources to directly write a 
.NET wrapper for NumPy, with the API optimized for the IronPython use case.

Might be more work, but AFAICS, should give the best results (performance-wise).

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Thanks Tim,

Ironclad looks interesting. Will investigate it. Thanks for the reference!

The promising thing regarding efforts: most, if not all of it has been done 
already in our Computing Engine. In fact people maintain wrappers around the 
(Matlab'isch) ILNumerics which mimic the numpy API and tend to be rather thin. 
The effort therefore would establish in getting rid of such wrappers and to 
handle the internal storage differences directly in ILNumerics. But of course, 
this needs to be done also...

Best
Haymo

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I am very interested in having IPy support Numpy. I would be willing to support 
the effort if you need some help.


Numpy is a problem because of the amount of C extensions. The best hope, IMHO, 
is ironclad which marshalls objects around. Pawel and I spent a bit of time 
getting a clean build of ironclad, but whether it was actually functional or 
not remains to be seen. We were going for clean builds as a first step. 
Actually getting Numpy to be .NET native is going to be a LOT of work.

https://github.com/IronLanguages/ironclad
Unfortunately, I have changed employers and am not that focused on .NET any 
more. My main interest these days would be to see IronPython3 moving forward 
(out of fondness for the platform).
Cheers,
--Tim (Intel Open Source Technology Center)

Thanks,
Steve

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:10 AM, Haymo Kutschbach 
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Hi Alex and all!

Thanks for the interesting news and for all the work done so far! There are 
considerations at ILNumerics to add numpy support to IronPython. So I would 
like to closely follow plans and progress of the main project. If there is a 
chance to attend the upcoming meeting I would like to participate as well.

My timezone is CEST / Berlin.

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Haymo

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Hello IronPythonistas!

Jeff Hardy has handed over the mangement of IronPython to myself and Benedikt 
Eggers. We are hoping to recruit some new people to contribute to IronPython 
and get some releases out. We would like to have a community meeting to discuss 
future direction for IronPython. We're planning on holding the meeting on 
Gitter, you can find the room here: https://gitter.im/IronLanguages/main.

I would like to cover the following agenda topics, but would definitely like to 
hear from community members what they would like to discuss as well.

- IronRuby - What do we want to do here?
- Issue disposition - there are currently about 961 issues, with most having 
been ported from CodePlex.
- Release schedule - I would like to do more rolling releases, getting features 
and fixes out faster, but still maintaining stability
- Continuous Integration - I was, for some time a contributor on the Jenkins 
project, I am approaching CloudBees to see what might be available for open 
source projects
- IronPython 3 - Roadmap to IronPython 3, which would be Python 3 compatible.

Please reply back if you are interested in attending the meeting and specify 
your timezone. I'd like to make the meeting as easy to attend as possible for 
the most amount of people. We won't be able to get everyone, but I would like 
to get as many as possible. I would like to hold the meeting this Thursday.

Thanks!

Alex Earl
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