for the initializer to know which classes to use when generating and what to generate I guess --- Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations Ivan Porto Carrero Blog: http://flanders.co.nz Twitter: http://twitter.com/casualjim Author of IronRuby in Action (http://manning.com/carrero)
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Shay Friedman <shay.fried...@gmail.com>wrote: > Thanks for the replies guys. > > By the way, if the initializer is required, why are the attributes needed > too? (or they aren't?) > > Thanks, > Shay. > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Jimmy Schementi < > jimmy.scheme...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >> To clarify things a bit more, the real difference between the two ways >> is performance and cleanness of the .NET code. My guidance would be to >> initially build a ruby front-end API, and call into .NET when needed; the >> cleanest solution IMO but depends on slow reflection for calling into .NET >> code. If you find that the .NET integration is too slow for that particular >> library, then you can move your code over to the generated-initializers >> model that IronRuby's libraries use. >> >> ~js >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [ >> ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] on behalf of Shri Borde [ >> shri.bo...@microsoft.com] >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:44 PM >> >> *To:* ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby C# Extensions >> >> Tomas, assuming you wanted your library to be C# code only for whatever >> reason, wouldn’t you need to use RubyModuleAttribute etc for various reasons >> (other than performance) to make the library look really Ruby-friendly and >> also be multi-ScriptRuntime-aware? For example, if you wanted a class >> constant, you couldn’t just declare a C# “const” variable as that would be >> appdomain-wide and also read-only. So you have to tag it with >> “RubyContantAttribute”, right? >> >> >> >> *From:* ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [mailto: >> ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *Tomas Matousek >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:48 AM >> *To:* ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby C# Extensions >> >> >> >> Ideally Reflection would be fast and we wouldn’t need any workarounds to >> load built-ins fast. But that’s not the case, so we use initializers. >> >> >> >> As for the scenarios you mentioned: >> >> 1. Porting Ruby native extensions >> >> Why not to write them in Ruby with calls to .NET Framework assemblies? Is >> there anything that makes this difficult? >> >> >> 2. Create an IronRuby library in C# in order to improve performance of a >> certain operation >> >> Couldn’t you write the parts whose perf matter in C# code that doesn’t >> have all the Ruby bells and whistles and keep your library written in Ruby? >> >> >> >> Tomas >> >> >> >> *From:* ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [mailto: >> ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] *On Behalf Of *Shay Friedman >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:26 AM >> *To:* ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby C# Extensions >> >> >> >> By the way, if we're at the subject... Ivan does have a point there, but >> why were the standard libraries written this way? >> >> Thanks, >> Shay. >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Shay Friedman <shay.fried...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Right, but this way you have more control on the "translation" of your Dll >> to IronRuby. >> >> Shay. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Ivan Porto Carrero <i...@flanders.co.nz> >> wrote: >> >> But wouldn't you be able to accomplish these scenarios just by requiring a >> C# built dll? >> >> >> --- >> Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations >> Ivan Porto Carrero >> Blog: http://flanders.co.nz >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/casualjim >> Author of IronRuby in Action (http://manning.com/carrero) >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Shay Friedman < >> shay.fried...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 2 samples I can think of - >> 1. Porting Ruby native extensions >> 2. Create an IronRuby library in C# in order to improve performance of a >> certain operation >> >> Shay. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Ivan Porto Carrero <i...@flanders.co.nz> >> wrote: >> >> Just require an assembly should work just as well I guess. >> >> >> >> When would you need to use the RubyClass etc attributes and the >> initializer? What is the added value of those? >> --- >> Met vriendelijke groeten - Best regards - Salutations >> Ivan Porto Carrero >> Blog: http://flanders.co.nz >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/casualjim >> Author of IronRuby in Action (http://manning.com/carrero) >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Shay Friedman <shay.fried...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Is it possible to consider allowing to load extensions without the need of >> a library initializer? (another argument in the load_assembly method for >> example) >> Currently, the library initializer makes the whole thing much more >> complicated... >> >> Thanks, >> Shay. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Tomas Matousek < >> tomas.matou...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> Basically to avoid reflection when loading the classes and modules. >> >> Tomas >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org [mailto: >> ironruby-core-boun...@rubyforge.org] On Behalf Of Shay Friedman >> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:14 AM >> To: ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> Subject: Re: [Ironruby-core] IronRuby C# Extensions >> >> I found out I needed an initializer... >> >> I have a question - why do we need initializers if we define everything on >> the attributes? >> >> Thanks, >> Shay. >> -- >> Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/. >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Shay Friedman >> Author of IronRuby Unleashed >> http://www.IronShay.com >> Follow me: http://twitter.com/ironshay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Shay Friedman >> Author of IronRuby Unleashed >> http://www.IronShay.com >> Follow me: http://twitter.com/ironshay >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Shay Friedman >> Author of IronRuby Unleashed >> http://www.IronShay.com >> Follow me: http://twitter.com/ironshay >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Shay Friedman >> Author of IronRuby Unleashed >> http://www.IronShay.com >> Follow me: http://twitter.com/ironshay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ironruby-core mailing list >> Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org >> http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core >> >> > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Shay Friedman > Author of IronRuby Unleashed > http://www.IronShay.com > Follow me: http://twitter.com/ironshay > > _______________________________________________ > Ironruby-core mailing list > Ironruby-core@rubyforge.org > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/ironruby-core > >
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