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From: "ebrahimsaifuddin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 17:21:23 -0000
Subject: [Revealing_the_truth] Qadianis - Is Quran lying or Ghulam Ahmad?
1. Qadianis believe that Jesus (pbuh) did not die on the cross and was
unconscious when he was brought down from it. They say he was nursed back
to health and then traveled to Kashmir, lived there till the age of 120 and
then died there.
2. According to Ghulam Ahmad, Paul was the one who introduced the concept
of Trinity and Divinity in "Christianity" after the death of Jesus (pbuh).
(Qadianis please ask for the quotes and I will give them to you)
3. Paul died somewhere around 64-67 AD. The dates vary from source to
source but they lie within this range i.e. they do not exceed 67 AD.
Nevertheless this is about a maximum of 35-40 years (lets be generous)
after the incident of "crucifixion".
The problem for Qadianis
If Paul died, lets say, 40 years after the incident of crucifixion, then
Jesus (pbuh), according to Ghulam Ahmad's given information, had to be
alive at that point in time. Therefore:
How could Paul introduce "trinity" and "divinity" AFTER the death of Jesus?
Jesus was NOT above 80 (or 90 depending on when Paul started preaching)
years old when the incident of crucifixion took place. Therefore Either
Ghulam Ahmad is lying that Paul introduced these claims OR he is lying that
Jesus lived till 120 years. Whichever way, it proves Ghulam Ahmad knew
nothing and just made up stories.
Pick up a qadiani translation of the Quran and read Surah Maida (5), Verse
117-118. I will use the translation that is available from their official
website:
"And when Allah will say, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men,
'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?' he will answer, 'Holy
art THOU, I could never say that which I had no right. If I had said it,
Thou wouldst have surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I
know not what is in Thy mind. It is Thou alone Who art the Knower of all
hidden things;
'I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me - Worship
Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I
remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou, hast been
the Watcher over them, and Thou art Witness over all things;"
Note: Because the qadianis add "bismillah" as verse no. 1 in the Quran
therefore it is 5:117-118, otherwise it would be 5:116-117
This verse, as confirmed by Ghulam Ahmad, states that the people went
astray AFTER the death of Jesus. Therefore:
a) If Jesus was alive till 120 AD, and the corruption was already brought
in by Paul before 67 AD (max), then is Ghulam Ahmad saying that the Quran
lies when it refers to corruption being spread AFTER the death of Jesus????
b) On the other hand, as Ghulam Ahmad states that Jesus died in 120 AD and
the Quran is also correct that it was after the death of Jesus that
corruption spread, therefore should we then believe that Ghulam Ahmad was
LYING when he said Paul brought in the corruption???
Can anyone not see? Ghulam Ahmad is fighting a losing battle. His claims
are CONTRADICTORY.
If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and Paul
introduced "trinity" and "divinity" THEN the person has to believe that the
Quran is LYING.
NEVER WOULD A MUSLIM EVER BELIEVE THAT
If a person chooses to follow the claim that Jesus died in 120 AD and the
Quran is also correct to imply that corruption was brought in after the
death of Jesus, THEN the person HAS to believe that Ghulam Ahmad was a liar.
So my question to Qadianis, what do you believe in? Is Quran lying or
Ghulam Ahmad? Please answer.
When Allah and His Messenger have decided something it is not for any man
or woman of the believers to have a choice about it. Anyone who disobeys
Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided. (33:36)
Prophethood and Messengership has ended. Lo, there is neither any messenger
nor any prophet after me.
Source: Tirmizi, Musnad Ahmed
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