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4. Terror in the Name of US War's Error - Headlines News 4
August 05 (muslim insuffer)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:13:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bango Samparan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FATWA MUI.........Re: [is-lam] Gus Dur: .... Abaikan
Fatwa Haram Ahmadiyah !!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Milis is-lam <[email protected]>
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Weleh ... malah dadi bingung kabeh. Kan nasehat papa Choky sudah jelas:
Biarin saja semua. Jadi, biarin saja MUI berfatwa. Ahmadiyah terus
berdakwah ya biarin. Lalu, kalau ada yang menyerbu Ahmadiyah, ya
biarin. Gus Dur ngomong, ya biarin. Semua kan punya sejarah
sendiri-sendiri tho!
Cakep juga usulan papa Choky ini:-)
Salam Hangat
B. Samparan
--- SOEDARDJO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kalau melihat Fatwa MUI di bawah ini, Ahmadiyah adalah JAMAAH DI LUAR
ISLAM.
Jika dinyatakan sebagai jamaah di luar ISLAM, maka sebaiknya MUI
tidak
usah mengurusi JAMAAH DI LUAR ISLAM tersebut.
Ini Logika saya lho.....
Atau saya yang kuper bahwa di MUI memang ada ULAMA NON ISLAM?
Mohon pencerahannya
Wassalam soedardjo
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:28:01 +0700
From: Raden Zukimi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FATWA MUI.........Re: [is-lam] Gus Dur: .... Abaikan
Fatwa Ha ram Ahmadiyah !!
To: 'Milis is-lam' <[email protected]>
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kayak di utan aja, macan makan sapi biarin, kuda makan rumput biarin, uler
matok kambing biarin... welleh ...kasian negriku ....hik....hik...hik....
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From: Bango Samparan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Milis is-lam
Subject: Re: FATWA MUI.........Re: [is-lam] Gus Dur: .... Abaikan Fatwa
Haram Ahmadiyah !!
Weleh ... malah dadi bingung kabeh. Kan nasehat papa Choky sudah jelas:
Biarin saja semua. Jadi, biarin saja MUI berfatwa. Ahmadiyah terus
berdakwah ya biarin. Lalu, kalau ada yang menyerbu Ahmadiyah, ya
biarin. Gus Dur ngomong, ya biarin. Semua kan punya sejarah
sendiri-sendiri tho!
Cakep juga usulan papa Choky ini:-)
Salam Hangat
B. Samparan
--- SOEDARDJO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kalau melihat Fatwa MUI di bawah ini, Ahmadiyah adalah JAMAAH DI LUAR
ISLAM.
Jika dinyatakan sebagai jamaah di luar ISLAM, maka sebaiknya MUI
tidak
usah mengurusi JAMAAH DI LUAR ISLAM tersebut.
Ini Logika saya lho.....
Atau saya yang kuper bahwa di MUI memang ada ULAMA NON ISLAM?
Mohon pencerahannya
Wassalam soedardjo
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:35:25 +0700
From: muslim insuffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [is-lam] Virus Melalui Instant Messages!
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bismi-lLahi-rRahmani-rRahiem
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
=== News Update ===
Saya mendapat pesan singkat dari sahabat saya lewat instant messager
seperti di bawah ini. Apakah ini benar? Kalau benar saya pikir kita semua
semestinya hati-hati dengan virus ini. Kalau tidak, berarti lupakan saja.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] :
e_bismo (8/3/2005 3:02:09 AM): sekedar menyampaikan: jika seseorang dengan
nama [EMAIL PROTECTED] hendak menambahkan anda di YM..jangan diterima,
itu
adalah virus. beritahu semua orang yang ada dalam list YM Anda, sebab jika
mereka menambahkan maka anda juga akan mendapat virus tsb. Beritahu semua
orang dalam list YM Anda untuk tidak membuka kiriman apapun dari angel11,
tewwtuler dan sassybitch. Nama2 itu merupakan virus yang berfungsi untu
membunuh hard drive. Sampaikan surat ini ke setiap orang dalam list YM
Anda.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:40:57 +0700
From: muslim insuffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [is-lam] Terror in the Name of US War's Error - Headlines
News 4 August 05
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bismi-lLahi-rRahmani-rRahiem
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
=== News Update ===
Revisiting Hiroshima
Robert McNamara, Kennedy's defence secretary, endorses the judgment of
William Perry, President Bill Clinton's defence secretary, that "there is
a
greater than 50 per cent probability of a nuclear strike on US targets
within a decade."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9655.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1k
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Hiroshima Film Cover-up Exposed :
I was told by people in the Pentagon that they didn't want those [film]
images out because they showed effects on man, woman and child. ... They
didn't want the general public to know what their weapons had done
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001001583
http://snipurl.com/goyp
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Iraq child prisoners abused by U.S. forces Report
More than 107 child prisoners, some as young as 10, are being raped and
tortured by U.S. occupation forces in Iraqi jails
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9194
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TELL YOUR REPS TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE TREATMENT AND ILLEGAL DETENTION OF
CHILD PRISONERS
Please take a moment to write to your representatives and ask them to
speak
out against the illegal detention of children in Iraq and Palestine.
Reports on the abuse at Abu Ghraib indicate that the Pentagon has proof
(photographs and video) that detained Iraqi children are being sodomized
and raped by American soldiers.
In Israel, Palestinian children are also being held indiscriminately and
illegally in violation of international law and human rights law. Reports
by Israeli human rights organizations indicate that like Iraqi children,
Palestinian child detainees are regularly tortured and not allowed visits
by either the Red Cross or their parents.
http://www.demaction.org/dia/organizations/CFLWeb/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=1060
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Ask for the Iraqi Detainees Basic Rights
The detention and imprisonment system in Iraq needs a lot of work before
it
starts to function in a way that respects Human Rights and local laws.
This
campaign asks for three very simple and achievable points, and further
campaigns will follow in case the goals of this one are achieved. This
campaign aims to help detainees in Iraqi get the basic rights during the
first three days of detention.
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2005/08/ask-for-iraqi-detainees-basic-rights.html
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US held prisoners in 'secret' jail
Two Yemeni prisoners say they were held in a secret, underground US
detention facility in solitary confinement in an unknown country for more
than 18 months, Amnesty International reported.
Human Rights lawyers representing detainees of the war on terror said the
Amnesty report appeared to provide the first confirmation of allegations
that the United States is holding "secret detainees" in undisclosed
locations.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/US-held-prisoners-in-secret-jail/2005/08/04/1122748725636.html?oneclick=true
===
Do you know this man?
Don't bother looking, searching and thinking, you will know him better
from this photo http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/2004/en/abugraib1.html ,
the man with a grey hair is only 44 years old and his name Ali-Al-Kaysi.
He tells about the day when he became an image without name or story,
before that he was just a number 101716 and then they gave him a nickname
"Colin Paul", his colleague became "Dracula" and the other one is
"Wolfman", they been categorized as "Big Fish" prisoners.
http://www.livejournal.com/~mparent7777/1585912.html
===
Iraq and Washington's 'seeds of democracy'
'The reason we are in Iraq is to plant the seeds of democracy so they
flourish there and spread to the entire region of authoritarianism.'
George W. Bush
When George W. Bush spoke of planting the 'seeds of democracy' few
realized
he might have had in mind Monsanto seeds.
Following the US occupation of Iraq in March 2003, the economic and
political life of that country changed radically. Iraq is under the
complete economic control of the occupying power, the United States.
http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2005/05/20050507.php
===
The Tyranny of Common Sense
The Faulty Logic of "Terrorist" Profiling
Growing up in the South, I often heard folks criticize others for being
"common." To be called common was to be vilified as trashy and unworthy of
respect. Putting aside the elitist implications of such a slur, the
pejorative nature of the term has always stuck with me, so much so that
when I hear something described as "common sense," I instinctively assume
that while it may indeed be the former, it is rarely ever the latter.
http://www.counterpunch.com/wise08022005.html
===
Documents Tell of Brutal Improvisation by GIs
It was inside a sleeping bag that the 56-year-old detainee took his last
breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in
Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a
secret
CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army
interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club
and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9661.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1n
===
Where the heck is our sense of empathy?
Why can't we see ourselves in the faces of those kids firing RPGs at
convoys of Halliburton trucks stealing Iraqi oil?
Cheering for the underdog is as American as fatty food. In the movies we
love heroes who simply want to be left alone--but are willing, like
Charles
Bronson in "Death Wish," to dish out double-sized portions of blazing
revenge when the baddies cross the line. Why, then, don't we pull for the
Iraqi insurgents?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9665.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1p
===
As Americans and Iraqi's Die In Bush's War.
George is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- 33
days away from the office, loaded with vacation time.
http://snipurl.com/gp34
===
In case you missed it:
Despotism & Democracy :
Explains how societies and nations can be measured by the degree that
power
is concentrated and respect for the individual is restricted. Where does
your community, state and nation stand on these scales?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4971.htm
http://snipurl.com/57r1
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In case you missed it:
Uncurious George:
Despite what is unfolding before us, the majority of this country's
honest,
freedom-loving people seem ever less interested in knowing, and ever more
inclined toward believing that what we're being shown and what we're being
told and what is being carried out in our name, is truth.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4454.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp2c
===
Juan Cole: Fisking the "War on Terror":
Once upon a time, a dangerous radical gained control of the US Republican
Party. The American Right, having created the Mujahideen and having
mightily contributed to the creation of al-Qaeda, abruptly announced that
there was something deeply wrong with Islam, that it kept producing
terrorists.
http://www.juancole.com/2005/08/fisking-war-on-terror-once-upon-time.html
http://snipurl.com/gosb
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Before the War, CIA Reportedly Trained a Team of Iraqis to Aid U.S.:
Before the war in Iraq began, the CIA recruited and trained an Iraqi
paramilitary group, code-named the Scorpions, to foment rebellion, conduct
sabotage, and help CIA paramilitaries who entered Baghdad and other cities
target buildings and individuals.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9660.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1v
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David Clark: Even when we leave Iraq, we face years of blowback:
Escalating violence and the rise of theocratic rule bode ill in Baghdad
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9658.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1w
===
Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Tuesday, 2 August 2005 :
- Resistance fighters ambush, kill 15 US Marines on banks of the Euphrates
River in Barwanah area Monday night
- Resistance bomb destroys US tank early Tuesday morning, al Khalidiyah
- Resistance martyrdom car bomber blasts US column in eastern Baghdad
- Two US troops reported killed in Tuesday morning bombing in ad-Durah
- Resistance martyrdom bomber in BMW blasts US-Iraqi puppet camp near
al-Mahmudiyah
- Resistance ambushes US-Iraqi puppet column, one American, six Iraqi
puppet troops reported dead, Balad
- Resistance bomb blasts US fuel convoy north of Tikrit early Tuesday
- Resistance landmine blasts US vehicle near Tall 'Afar Tuesday afternoon
- Resistance car bomb blasts joint US-Iraqi puppet column Tuesday
afternoon, Tuz Khurmatu
- Resistance marksman shoots and kills Italian soldier in an-Nasiriyah
Tuesday
http://www.albasrah.net/en_articles_2005/0805/iraqiresistancereport_020805.htm
===
Bomb kills 14 U.S. Marines in Iraq:
A roadside bomb explosion tore through a U.S. assault vehicle in Iraq on
Wednesday, killing 14 American Marines and a civilian interpreter in the
deadliest attack of its kind against U.S. forces since the war began.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9662.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1q
===
Seven Marines killed in Iraq, toll passes 1,800
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Seven American Marines have been killed in fighting
in Iraq's western Anbar province, the guerrilla heartland which keeps
challenging U.S. and Iraqi troops despite repeated security crackdowns.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050802/ts_nm/iraq_dc
===
American Journalist Killed In Basara:
In Basra, an American journalist was found shot dead a few days after he
wrote an opinion piece in the New York Times criticising the spread of
Shi'ite Islamist fundamentalism in the southern Iraqi city.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/GEO322147.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp1r
===
Iraq group says captures U.S. Marine after clash :
An Iraqi insurgent group said on Wednesday it has captured a U.S. Marine
who was wounded in a clash in western Iraq in which eight other Marines
were killed.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050803/ts_nm/iraq_marines_capture_dc_1
http://snipurl.com/gp1t
===
Pentagon denies U.S. Marine captured in Iraq
http://snipurl.com/gp1u
===
Millions lost in corrupt deals, Iraqi officials say :
Hundreds of millions of dollars have been wasted on unnecessary and
overpriced equipment for Iraq's new army
http://snipurl.com/gp39
===
Saddam's team boycotts Iraqi tribunal:
Saddam Hussein's chief lawyer has said the former president's legal team
will boycott proceedings until a man it claims attacked the former
dictator
at a hearing is brought to justice and the court apologises.
http://snipurl.com/gp1x
===
Iraqis Accuse Kuwait of Stealing Oil:
Iraqi legislators accused Kuwait of stealing their oil as well as chipping
away at their national territory on the border allegations similar to
those used by Saddam Hussein to justify his invasion of Kuwait that began
15 years ago Tuesday.
http://snipurl.com/gp1z
===
PM avoids Iraq risk issue: Rudd:
PRIME Minister John Howard was denying Australia's involvement in Iraq had
increased the risk of a terror attack at home because it would be
politically uncomfortable for him to say otherwise, the Opposition said
today.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=3544266
http://snipurl.com/gp23
===
Insurgents kill eight Afghan soldiers, police in attack on post:
Elsewhere a shootout left five people dead, while suspected militants also
killed on election worker in the latest violence to hit the country ahead
of next month's landmark elections.
http://snipurl.com/gp2e
===
9/11: Bush Insider Claim WTC Collapse Bogus Gets 'Huge Response'
"It's nothing new. The government has always lied about so many things.
Look at the Downing Street Memo, for example, the document confirming that
the Bush administration lied to us about its motives for getting into the
war.
" If they lied to us about this, what else? Well, 9/11 is just another
example."
http://www.rense.com/general67/huge.htm
===
US asked to interrogate 'ghost prisoners':
British security forces think many of the 'ghost prisoners' held by the US
Central Intelligence Agency 'may have crucial information about the events
in London', it said.
http://www.dawn.com/2005/08/03/top12.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp20
===
Senior Tory says that suicide attacks are 'totally explicable' :
The Tory leadership distanced itself from Dominic Grieve, the shadow
Attorney General, after he said the link between the Iraq war and the
terror campaign could not be ignored.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article303277.ece
http://snipurl.com/gp21
===
Australia: War in Iraq raised terror risk:
Most Australians back much tougher anti-terrorism measures. A majority
would be happy to see terrorist suspects detained without charge for up to
three months, deportation of suspects, random bag searches and more
security cameras. A national ID card is also backed by more than six in 10
people in the poll, conducted by ACNielsen.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9656.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp22
===
Hysteria, racism behind new terror laws
If it's true that terrorists are driven by a hatred of Western
"democracies" and liberal ideas, it's more than ironic that, in the wake
of
the London bombings, there is bipartisan agreement in Australia to step up
security surveillance, target and intimidate Muslims, increase censorship,
threaten deportation and increase racial profiling.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/636/636p10.htm
===
Inconsistencies in the War on Terror:
In what legal limbo can a terrorist who is accused of 73 counts of
premeditated murder find shelter? What is the status of Venezuela's
request
for the extradition of Luis Posada Carriles?
http://www.counterpunch.com/pertierra08032005.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2i
===
The Faulty Logic of "Terrorist" Profiling:
As it turns out, profiling is not only ethically questionable; it is also
unlikely to prevent terrorism.
http://www.counterpunch.com/wise08022005.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2a
===
'I was living fiction' :
A former CIA agent talks to Stephen Moss about what makes a terrorist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1541372,00.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2j
===
Third terror trial prosecutor quits:
A THIRD US military prosecutor has quit the military commission process
under which Australian David Hicks will be tried over concerns it is
unfair.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=3549405
http://snipurl.com/gp2k
===
Hicks can be tried in Aust, lawyers say:
Two leading academic lawyers say Australian Guantanamo Bay detainee David
Hicks could be charged and tried in Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1429415.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp2l
===
2 NY Officials Back Terror Check Profiling
NEW YORK (AP) - Middle Easterners should be targeted for searches on city
subways, two elected officials said, contending that police have been
wasting time with random checks in efforts to prevent terrorism in the
transit system.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5186144,00.html
===
Paul Craig Roberts: When Armageddon Gets No Press:
Now that we really need them, the watchdog media has hired out as public
relations and propaganda shills for the Bush administration and the neocon
network.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9664.htm
http://snipurl.com/gp2n
===
Old enemies' wargames send a powerful message to the US:
Russia and China hope to sign a massive arms deal after staging joint
exercises for the first time
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1718819,00.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2p
===
Why the US won't admit it was jilted :
President Karimov of Uzbekistan has served notice to quit on the US base
in
his country. This completes a process of diplomatic revolution as Karimov
turns away from the west and back into the embrace of Russia, with coy
sideways glances at China.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1541384,00.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2r
===
Book Review: How America Gets Away With Murder:
Illegal Wars, Collateral Damage, and Crimes Against Humanity : By Michael
Mandel
http://zmagsite.zmag.org/JulAug2004/herman0804.html#author
http://snipurl.com/gp31
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I'm sorry, but the world's still round:
Review of Thomas Friedman's The World is Flat A Brief History of the
Globalized World in the 21st Century
http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/2005/08/im-sorry-but-worlds-still-round.html
http://snipurl.com/gp32
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Bush wants alternatives to Darwinism taught in school:
President George W. Bush stirred the debate on the teaching of evolution
in
schools when he said this week that he supported the teaching of
alternative viewpoints - such as the theory of Intelligent Design
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e3658032-03bb-11da-b54a-00000e2511c8.html
http://snipurl.com/gp2b
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