Absolutely dead on correct. Of course that may not prevent those in other countries who do not have copyright enforcement agreements with the US - no clue who that might be.
We have recently had a spat with one of the copyright enforcement dweebs - and it cost us a few bucks to run them off. We would have been nailed to the wall of we had the material cached. Larry At 01:29 PM 10/18/2002 -0400, Chris Riegel wrote:
The bigger question may be, if you cache P2P on any device, will you get a "love letter" from the Recording Industry Association of America or the Motion Picture Association detailing how you are assisting in the commission of a crime to cache that copyrighted content.
Or better yet, under Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, Part I -Section 1961 Chapter 96 - Racketeering (the statute the Feds use to nail the mob) has as part of the definition:
"section 2319 (relating to criminal infringement of a copyright), section 2319A (relating to
unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound recordings and
music videos of live musical performances)"
I would hate to end up in Terre Haute or Leavenworth Federal Prisons for helping some 12 year old dupe a copy of a Brittany Spears song on my cache...
The technology behind caching P2P is not too difficult.
The legal issues behind caching P2P are daunting.
Anybody up for being a "test case"?
My 2 cents.
C. Riegel
Stratacache
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Amos,
I appreciate your view but you can also decide to track down the few
"ab-users", the 5% generating 90% of the trafic, preventing the others
to get good service. Either you need to buy much more bandwidth and then
may be your business model won't be profitable or you decide to enforce
some sort of Fairness to retain all these customers, suffering from
abusers and probably on their way to leave because of poor level of
service.
Regards
Antoine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:SLICK@;co.zahav.net.il]
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 17:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
The Allot netenforcer will help you to classify the traffic, and if you
want it will rate-limit it, but it will not cache it. you might rerduce
bandwidth usage, but you will hurt your users. i don't think that as an
isp i'm entitled to make decisions for my customers in which application
to use, but what ever they use, i want to cache.
Regards
Amos
-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine GUY [mailto:aguy@;wtc-sophia.com]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 6:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
Mark,
The Allot NetEnforcer device will do the job - we do have references in
that domain.
(see www.allot.com )
Regards
Antoine GUY
Allot Communications Europe
General Manager EMEA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pace Balzan [mailto:mpb@;melitacable.com]
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 16:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
Hi Amos,
I work for an ISP in Malta, and we too have very high percentage of p2p
traffic from our cable modem users.
Recently kazaa has released a new version of their p2p software, kazaa
v2 which is hard to classify and quantify.
Do you manage to classify this traffic - kazaa v2 doesnt work on tcp
port 1214 like v1. it uses dynamic ports
Re caching. I dont believe there is a solution, but if you find
anything, please let me know, since i would be interested in such a
solution
Thanks
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amos Rosenboim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [isp-caching] introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
> Hi,
> i'm working as a Head of networking team for an isp in israel. When we
> analyzed our traffic ( using Allot Netenforcer ) we have noitced
the dominance of the peer to peer applications.
> For our broadband users it's between 40-60% of total traffic ( more
> then
http) and for the dial up users it's about 30% which is a heavy
compettion to the http traffic. has anyone done similiar analysis to
confirm or disconfirm my analysis ?
> Does anyone know of any caching solution to such traffic ? Amos
> Rosenboim Network Team Manager
> INTERNET-GOLD
>
>
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