We'll introduce to the market a 2.5 Giga throughput box in Q1 2003.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:SLICK@;co.zahav.net.il]
Sent: mardi 22 octobre 2002 08:03
To: ISP-CACHING Discussion List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
The fact that Allot netenforcer can rate-limit the p2p traffic doesn't
make it a solution yet. Let's talk about the service provider network
for a second. I want to limit p2p traffic only on my edge twards the
upstream provider, which is an stm 4 circuit, does allot has any
solution for such bandwidth, and for that encapsulation ( lets say sonet
) ? not yet. if i would like to do it in my access network, facing the
customers, then i need to buy many allot devices, which is nice for
allot, but not sso for me. caching is the right answer to such
situation, not rate-limiting, not in a service provider enviorment, not
yet.
Regards
Amos
-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine GUY [mailto:aguy@;wtc-sophia.com]
Sent: Mon 10/21/2002 10:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
So, bandwidth management with rate limiting capabilities is the
solution, short term.
Regards
Antoine GUY
Allot Communications Europe
General Manager EMEA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Riegel [mailto:CRiegel@;stratacache.com]
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 19:29
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
The bigger question may be, if you cache P2P on any device, will
you get
a "love letter" from the Recording Industry Association of
America or
the Motion Picture Association detailing how you are assisting
in the
commission of a crime to cache that copyrighted content.
Or better yet, under Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, Part I
-Section
1961 Chapter 96 - Racketeering (the statute the Feds use to nail
the
mob) has as part of the definition:
"section 2319 (relating to criminal infringement of a
copyright),
section 2319A (relating to
unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound
recordings and
music videos of live musical performances)"
I would hate to end up in Terre Haute or Leavenworth Federal
Prisons for
helping some 12 year old dupe a copy of a Brittany Spears song
on my
cache...
The technology behind caching P2P is not too difficult.
The legal issues behind caching P2P are daunting.
Anybody up for being a "test case"?
My 2 cents.
C. Riegel
Stratacache
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/02 01:05PM >>>
Amos,
I appreciate your view but you can also decide to track down the
few
"ab-users", the 5% generating 90% of the trafic, preventing the
others
to get good service. Either you need to buy much more bandwidth
and then
may be your business model won't be profitable or you decide to
enforce
some sort of Fairness to retain all these customers, suffering
from
abusers and probably on their way to leave because of poor level
of
service.
Regards
Antoine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amos Rosenboim [mailto:SLICK@;co.zahav.net.il]
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 17:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
The Allot netenforcer will help you to classify the traffic, and
if you
want it will rate-limit it, but it will not cache it. you might
rerduce
bandwidth usage, but you will hurt your users. i don't think
that as an
isp i'm entitled to make decisions for my customers in which
application
to use, but what ever they use, i want to cache.
Regards
Amos
-----Original Message-----
From: Antoine GUY [mailto:aguy@;wtc-sophia.com]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 6:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
Mark,
The Allot NetEnforcer device will do the job - we do have
references in
that domain.
(see www.allot.com )
Regards
Antoine GUY
Allot Communications Europe
General Manager EMEA
T +33 4 92 38 80 27
F +33 4 92 38 80 33
M +33 6 86 07 40 94
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Empowering Networks for Business"
www.allot.com - www.allot.de - www.allot.jp
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Pace Balzan [mailto:mpb@;melitacable.com]
Sent: vendredi 18 octobre 2002 16:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [isp-caching] Re: introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
Hi Amos,
I work for an ISP in Malta, and we too have very high percentage
of p2p
traffic from our cable modem users.
Recently kazaa has released a new version of their p2p software,
kazaa
v2 which is hard to classify and quantify.
Do you manage to classify this traffic - kazaa v2 doesnt work on
tcp
port 1214 like v1. it uses dynamic ports
Re caching. I dont believe there is a solution, but if you find
anything, please let me know, since i would be interested in
such a
solution
Thanks
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amos Rosenboim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:12 PM
Subject: [isp-caching] introduction + peer 2 peer traffic
> Hi,
> i'm working as a Head of networking team for an isp in israel.
When we
> analyzed our traffic ( using Allot Netenforcer ) we have
noitced
the dominance of the peer to peer applications.
> For our broadband users it's between 40-60% of total traffic (
more
> then
http) and for the dial up users it's about 30% which is a heavy
compettion to the http traffic. has anyone done similiar
analysis to
confirm or disconfirm my analysis ?
> Does anyone know of any caching solution to such traffic ?
Amos
> Rosenboim Network Team Manager INTERNET-GOLD
>
>
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