ISP-DSL Digest for Friday, August 04, 2000. 1. Re: Voice Coop for ISPs 2. Re: Voice Coop for ISPs 3. Re: Looking to resell DSL... 4. Re: Voice Coop for ISPs 5. RE: Looking to resell DSL... 6. Re: Voice Coop for ISPs 7. Re: Looking to resell DSL... 8. DHCP server for Shasta/Redback 9. Re: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback 10. Re: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback 11. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 12. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs From: Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:08:29 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Looks excellent; when they offer it here (we're on their coming soon list) I'll be getting it as well. They probably don't give you fixed IP, so I probably won't be able to take advantage of the internet connection. But it's the only way I can get four lines in here, so count me in too <smile>. Jeff "William Devine, II" wrote: > > Marlon/Darrell, > The best example is happening with Sprint and their SprintION system. -- Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672 Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 787-8589 * fax: (909) 782-0205 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs From: John Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:17:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 Have you looked at Quicknet Technologies Linejack and Phonejack hardware? Plug the card into the PC, plug the Telephone into the card, load software, and you can do voice over IP. The Line jack will connect to PBX's and some key systems. You probably could only make a 1 time profit on these installs, since I don't see how you could charge a monthly fee. Of course the businesses would like to be able to call across town for free, and wherever else your ISP sevices. "Marlon K. Schafer" wrote: > > What's wrong is that I'm in a small market. Only 1000 (not a typo) in my > whole local calling area. There are only 4 t-1's in the whole town (mine, > the other isp, the hospital, and the school) and two of them are paid for > with grants that specifically preclude them purchasing from anyone but the > telco. > > I resell my t-1 via my wireless distribution system for $35/month. Find a > way for me to integrate your system into mine for an extra $10 (residential) > to $30 (business) and I think it would work for me. Would work much better > for many for that matter..... > > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:31 PM > Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get > > an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. > > > > As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long Distance that > is > > 35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. > > > > Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at $25 a > piece > > (business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with > no > > minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD > > bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 minimum for > the > > same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. > > > > You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have done with > a > > T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are > around > > $700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL Modem or > T1 > > CSU/DSU. > > > > Darrell > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra per > month > > just for long distance. > > > > I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but people out > here > > are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be > > able to get much more out of them. > > > > Marlon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM > > Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > > > For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my > company > > is > > > starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country > > that > > > have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with > other > > > small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide > > > end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. > > Probably > > > the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How > > > many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get > an > > > additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business > > > customer? > > > > > > This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions > > you > > > might have about how to do Voice over DSL. > > > > > > Darrell > > > > > > P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use > > > Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding > > > voice. > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... From: Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:12:57 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 Jim wrote: > In the PacBell territories of California it seems very difficult to sell > DSL. I just had a dialup customer switch to PacBell because their $29.95 > rate was significantly below my rate. I asked if this included the > internet feed. His answer "yes". Their website says $39.95. We just had someone call us to inquire about our offerings, having decided they can't deal with the lack of clue at Pac Bell. Of course we're not ready to take advantage of it yet (we're scheduled for Sept. 1st <frown>). Jeff -- Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672 Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 787-8589 * fax: (909) 782-0205 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:57:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 4 url please! thanks, marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:17 AM Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs > Have you looked at Quicknet Technologies Linejack and Phonejack > hardware? Plug the card into the PC, plug the Telephone into the card, > load software, and you can do voice over IP. The Line jack will > connect to PBX's and some key systems. You probably could only make a 1 > time profit on these installs, since I don't see how you could charge a > monthly fee. Of course the businesses would like to be able to call > across town for free, and wherever else your ISP sevices. > > > "Marlon K. Schafer" wrote: > > > > What's wrong is that I'm in a small market. Only 1000 (not a typo) in my > > whole local calling area. There are only 4 t-1's in the whole town (mine, > > the other isp, the hospital, and the school) and two of them are paid for > > with grants that specifically preclude them purchasing from anyone but the > > telco. > > > > I resell my t-1 via my wireless distribution system for $35/month. Find a > > way for me to integrate your system into mine for an extra $10 (residential) > > to $30 (business) and I think it would work for me. Would work much better > > for many for that matter..... > > > > marlon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:31 PM > > Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get > > > > an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. > > > > > > As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long Distance that > > is > > > 35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. > > > > > > Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at $25 a > > piece > > > (business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with > > no > > > minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD > > > bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 minimum for > > the > > > same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. > > > > > > You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have done with > > a > > > T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are > > around > > > $700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL Modem or > > T1 > > > CSU/DSU. > > > > > > Darrell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > > Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra per > > month > > > just for long distance. > > > > > > I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but people out > > here > > > are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be > > > able to get much more out of them. > > > > > > Marlon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM > > > Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my > > company > > > is > > > > starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country > > > that > > > > have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with > > other > > > > small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide > > > > end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. > > > Probably > > > > the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How > > > > many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get > > an > > > > additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business > > > > customer? > > > > > > > > This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions > > > you > > > > might have about how to do Voice over DSL. > > > > > > > > Darrell > > > > > > > > P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use > > > > Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding > > > > voice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: Alex Ponnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:18:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 Please tell me, how are you going to make money of $ 39.95 per month ? i dont think you can, so i wonder why would someone try to go into = consumer dsl in the first place... look at flashcom SEC filling, they lost a lot = of=20 money and they dont have state of art equipment, bad support and the = lowest=20 cost per subscriber. i think anyone who sells pac bell dsl in CA as a business model, is = ...... take your money and enjoy live do waiste it on something like that my 2 cents... -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lasman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... Jim wrote: > In the PacBell territories of California it seems very difficult to = sell > DSL. I just had a dialup customer switch to PacBell because their = $29.95 > rate was significantly below my rate. I asked if this included the > internet feed. His answer "yes". Their website says $39.95. We just had someone call us to inquire about our offerings, having decided they can't deal with the lack of clue at Pac Bell. Of course we're not ready to take advantage of it yet (we're scheduled for Sept. 1st <frown>). Jeff --=20 Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672 Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 787-8589 * fax: (909) 782-0205 ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services=20 Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ =95 The ISP-DSL Discussion List =95 ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Israel Ameh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:23:18 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 Hi John, Have you tried the Quicknet Linejack and Phonejack products? I am thinking of trying them out and would like some kind of a user feedback. Thanks Israel ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 3:17 AM Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs > Have you looked at Quicknet Technologies Linejack and Phonejack > hardware? Plug the card into the PC, plug the Telephone into the card, > load software, and you can do voice over IP. The Line jack will > connect to PBX's and some key systems. You probably could only make a 1 > time profit on these installs, since I don't see how you could charge a > monthly fee. Of course the businesses would like to be able to call > across town for free, and wherever else your ISP sevices. > > > "Marlon K. Schafer" wrote: > > > > What's wrong is that I'm in a small market. Only 1000 (not a typo) in my > > whole local calling area. There are only 4 t-1's in the whole town (mine, > > the other isp, the hospital, and the school) and two of them are paid for > > with grants that specifically preclude them purchasing from anyone but the > > telco. > > > > I resell my t-1 via my wireless distribution system for $35/month. Find a > > way for me to integrate your system into mine for an extra $10 (residential) > > to $30 (business) and I think it would work for me. Would work much better > > for many for that matter..... > > > > marlon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:31 PM > > Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get > > > > an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. > > > > > > As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long Distance that > > is > > > 35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. > > > > > > Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at $25 a > > piece > > > (business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with > > no > > > minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD > > > bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 minimum for > > the > > > same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. > > > > > > You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have done with > > a > > > T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are > > around > > > $700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL Modem or > > T1 > > > CSU/DSU. > > > > > > Darrell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > > Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra per > > month > > > just for long distance. > > > > > > I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but people out > > here > > > are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be > > > able to get much more out of them. > > > > > > Marlon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM > > > Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my > > company > > > is > > > > starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country > > > that > > > > have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction with > > other > > > > small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide > > > > end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. > > > Probably > > > > the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How > > > > many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot to get > > an > > > > additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business > > > > customer? > > > > > > > > This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions > > > you > > > > might have about how to do Voice over DSL. > > > > > > > > Darrell > > > > > > > > P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use > > > > Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding > > > > voice. > > > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:52:30 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 My point exactly. Why should we waste our time developing this business for the LECS? Unless you have a plan to take their dialup business by doing something like VOIP. I am looking at the MediaTrix product http://www.mediatrix.com as putting in as a CPE (Customer Premise Equipment) to convert voice to ip at the customer location. Then send out over the internet. Jim CWIA Alex Ponnath wrote: > > Please tell me, how are you going to make money of $ 39.95 per month ? > i dont think you can, so i wonder why would someone try to go into consumer > dsl in the first place... look at flashcom SEC filling, they lost a lot of > money and they dont have state of art equipment, bad support and the lowest > cost per subscriber. > > i think anyone who sells pac bell dsl in CA as a business model, is ...... > take your money and enjoy live do waiste it on something like that > > my 2 cents... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Lasman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... > > Jim wrote: > > > In the PacBell territories of California it seems very difficult to sell > > DSL. I just had a dialup customer switch to PacBell because their $29.95 > > rate was significantly below my rate. I asked if this included the > > internet feed. His answer "yes". > > Their website says $39.95. > > We just had someone call us to inquire about our offerings, having > decided they can't deal with the lack of clue at Pac Bell. Of course > we're not ready to take advantage of it yet (we're scheduled for Sept. > 1st <frown>). > > Jeff > -- > Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > nobaloney.net > P. O. Box 52672 > Riverside, CA 92517 > voice: (909) 787-8589 * fax: (909) 782-0205 > > ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ > At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give > ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services > Click the above link to learn more and get free research. > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback From: "Chris Wacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:58:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 We have recently purchased the Shasta DSL aggregator. I am looking for a DHCP server that runs on NT and supports option 82. Option 82 is the ability to map a VPI/VCI pair to a mac address. Does anyone have a solution for a DHCP server? Any and all help is appreciated! Thanks, Chris Wacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback From: Tim Winders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:59:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- If you can run on a *NIX box, the ISC dhcp v3 server supports custom option codes. http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP/dhcp-v3.html =3D=3D=3D Tim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Tim Winders=09=09=09| Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]=09| | MCSE, CNE, CCNA=09=09| Phone: 806-894-9611 x 2369=09=09| | Network Administrator=09| FAX: 806-897-4711=09=09=09| | South Plains College=09=09|=09=09=09=09=09| | Levelland, TX 79336=09=09|=09=09=09=09=09| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Chris Wacker wrote: > We have recently purchased the Shasta DSL aggregator. I am looking for a > DHCP server that runs on NT and supports option 82. Option 82 is the abil= ity > to map a VPI/VCI pair to a mac address. Does anyone have a solution for a > DHCP server? Any and all help is appreciated! >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Chris Wacker >=20 >=20 >=20 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > SAVE 65% ON NETOPIA DSL ROUTERS WITH V.90 or ISDN BACKUP! > Give small business customers the redundancy they require. > http://www.netopia.com/equipment/offers/grow/index.html >=20 > ______________ =95 The ISP-DSL Discussion List =95 ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ >=20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOYsguLqa7cl66v8xAQEgywP+KhGO2w4g7Gkq1VlS90/W6GkdZGRYJ+jV OOC9jkW5K214B+mg4nqGrEzf3IMR3/OTx1iawY0t0oIyXcN3qTbGuxC4AzNcUIwO 5lMAXvhN6w+6zYHy4e+FOL7TnYuAd2nVtYe4r0xlrhmLrSi7cISUF53A/rocqfpO zEygQJM8yKw=3D =3D6J6O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:01:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 I'm also interested in this. --Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 12:58 PM Subject: DHCP server for Shasta/Redback > We have recently purchased the Shasta DSL aggregator. I am looking for a > DHCP server that runs on NT and supports option 82. Option 82 is the ability > to map a VPI/VCI pair to a mac address. Does anyone have a solution for a > DHCP server? Any and all help is appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Chris Wacker > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > SAVE 65% ON NETOPIA DSL ROUTERS WITH V.90 or ISDN BACKUP! > Give small business customers the redundancy they require. > http://www.netopia.com/equipment/offers/grow/index.html > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "William Devine, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:02:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Jeff, They use Earthlink for the ISP and you get two static IP#'s (I only use one with a cable modem so it's not a problem.) william -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lasman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 2:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs Looks excellent; when they offer it here (we're on their coming soon list) I'll be getting it as well. They probably don't give you fixed IP, so I probably won't be able to take advantage of the internet connection. But it's the only way I can get four lines in here, so count me in too <smile>. Jeff "William Devine, II" wrote: > > Marlon/Darrell, > The best example is happening with Sprint and their SprintION system. -- Jeff Lasman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672 Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 787-8589 * fax: (909) 782-0205 ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:54:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 QoS can be determined by two methods. One is IP and the other is ATM. It is interesting that you say Covad and Northpoint because both of them can enable one type of the service. IP QoS utilizes the Type Of Service header or TOS in an IP packet and the Copper Mt. DSLAM's Northpoint uses are capable of IP-IQ software that does this distinction. If it goes from the DSLAM back to the core then it would have to do an FR-ATM interworking function. At that point, it can get passed off to a ATM VC that is designated higher priority or value by giving it VBR-rt, nrt, UBR, UBR+... whatever as long as the voice gets treated better. The ATM method just extends two VC's down to the customer premise box / modem / IAD and the voice goes through the ATM network its own path and priority back to the gateway. Darrell -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Herschlag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs Of course we are interested in VoDSL and see precisely the opportunity you have outlined. And I am particularly interested to see what a co-op can do to help move the situation along. As I see it now, we are dependent as Covad and Northpoint resellers on what deals they make with CLECs for VoDSL, being that they control their own DSLAMs. Of course, we can, in each metro area, that we interconnect with such DSL carriers, split out the voice at the point of interconnection with the carrier and hand that off to a CLEC, but at that point the voice packets have traversed the carriers local network, which is oversold in many cases and would likely result in inadequate QOS for business-grade voice service. So what do we do about this situation? What are Covad and Northpoint's current plans? Daniel Herschlag Chief Executive Intercom Online 212 376 7440 www.intercom.com www.mydsl.com www.getyourdotcoms.com |-----Original Message----- |From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:31 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | | |Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get |an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. | |As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long |Distance that is |35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. | |Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at |$25 a piece |(business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a minute with no |minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD |bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 |minimum for the |same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. | |You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have |done with a |T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service are around |$700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL |Modem or T1 |CSU/DSU. | |Darrell | |-----Original Message----- |From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra |per month |just for long distance. | |I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but |people out here |are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be |able to get much more out of them. | |Marlon | |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM |Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |> |> For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services my company |is |> starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country |that |> have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction |with other |> small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide |> end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. |Probably |> the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How |> many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot |to get an |> additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business |> customer? |> |> This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions |you |> might have about how to do Voice over DSL. |> |> Darrell |> |> P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use |> Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding |> voice. | | | | | --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to isp-dsl as: archive@jab.org
