ISP-DSL Digest for Thursday, August 03, 2000. 1. Reselling SBC/Ameritech SpeedPath aDSL 2. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 3. RE: Voice Coop for ISPs 4. Looking to resell DSL... 5. Re: Looking to resell DSL... 6. RE: Looking to resell DSL... 7. RE: NEBS cross connect panels 8. Re: Looking to resell DSL... 9. RE: Looking to resell DSL... 10. RE: Looking to resell DSL... 11. RE: Looking to resell DSL... 12. RE: Looking to resell DSL... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Reselling SBC/Ameritech SpeedPath aDSL From: Kevin Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:25:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 Attention ISPs reselling SBC/Ameritech SpeedPath aDSL... How many circuits to you presently have? On average, how quickly does SBC/Ameritech install new circuits? Are you using the Redback SMS-500? If not, what are you using? What hardware are you using at the customer's premises? Thanks in advance, --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Daniel Herschlag" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:18:37 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 OK, the answer sounds good. I just hope it works as problem free as you make it sound. So what are the gotchas in this plan so far? For one, I noticed in another post you mentioed this is not happening everywhere yet. Why is it taking so long in some areas. Another gotcha would be no lifeline POTS. If the DSL line is cut, whereas with normal POTs you'd likely have other trunks, all your VoDSL lines are down, and unlike T1 trunks, mean time to repair is poor. What other gotchas are there? How much impact on reducing data bandwidth can each voice channel have? While I'm at it with all these questions...ADSL supports baseband voice but can it not support VoDSL as well? Will your IAD gear work behind existing DSL bridges and routers, or does it have to be the first device connecting to the DSL line. Out of curiousity, if you don't mind, what is Tollbridge doing that is notably different or better than CopperCom, Jetstrea and General Bandwidth. Do you have any research projections indicating what percentage of businesses who already have DSL will upgrade to VoDSL and what percentage of new business DSL lines will be ordered with VoDSL, and what the average takeup will be in terms of number of voice lines, and $ spent per month. I'm looking for numbers to put into revised pro formas for our business plan. Obviously VoDSL has the potential to be a significant factor in future revenues. If you can help us with realistic information that would be useful. Btw, I need this info quickly as we are preparing a revision today in which we want to include VoDSL projections. Thanks, Daniel Herschlag Chief Executive Intercom Online 212 376 7440 www.intercom.com www.mydsl.com www.getyourdotcoms.com |-----Original Message----- |From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:39 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | | |QoS can be determined by two methods. One is IP and the other is ATM. It |is interesting that you say Covad and Northpoint because both of them can |enable one type of the service. | |IP QoS utilizes the Type Of Service header or TOS in an IP packet and the |Copper Mt. DSLAM's Northpoint uses are capable of IP-IQ software that does |this distinction. If it goes from the DSLAM back to the core then it would |have to do an FR-ATM interworking function. At that point, it can get |passed off to a ATM VC that is designated higher priority or value |by giving |it VBR-rt, nrt, UBR, UBR+... whatever as long as the voice gets treated |better. The ATM method just extends two VC's down to the customer premise |box / modem / IAD and the voice goes through the ATM network its own path |and priority back to the gateway. | |Darrell | |-----Original Message----- |From: Daniel Herschlag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:36 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |Of course we are interested in VoDSL and see precisely the opportunity you |have outlined. And I am particularly interested to see what a co-op can do |to help move the situation along. As I see it now, we are |dependent as Covad |and Northpoint resellers on what deals they make with CLECs for |VoDSL, being |that they control their own DSLAMs. Of course, we can, in each metro area, |that we interconnect with such DSL carriers, split out the voice at the |point of interconnection with the carrier and hand that off to a CLEC, but |at that point the voice packets have traversed the carriers local network, |which is oversold in many cases and would likely result in inadequate QOS |for business-grade voice service. So what do we do about this situation? |What are Covad and Northpoint's current plans? | |Daniel Herschlag |Chief Executive |Intercom Online |212 376 7440 |www.intercom.com |www.mydsl.com |www.getyourdotcoms.com | ||-----Original Message----- ||From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ||Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:31 AM ||To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs || || || ||Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get ||an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. || ||As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long ||Distance that is ||35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. || ||Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at ||$25 a piece ||(business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a |minute with no ||minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD ||bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 ||minimum for the ||same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. || ||You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have ||done with a ||T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service |are around ||$700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL ||Modem or T1 ||CSU/DSU. || ||Darrell || ||-----Original Message----- ||From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ||Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM ||To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs || || ||Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra ||per month ||just for long distance. || ||I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but ||people out here ||are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be ||able to get much more out of them. || ||Marlon || ||----- Original Message ----- ||From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ||To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ||Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM ||Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs || || ||> ||> For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services |my company ||is ||> starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country ||that ||> have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction ||with other ||> small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide ||> end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. ||Probably ||> the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How ||> many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot ||to get an ||> additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business ||> customer? ||> ||> This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions ||you ||> might have about how to do Voice over DSL. ||> ||> Darrell ||> ||> P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use ||> Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding ||> voice. || || || || || ||______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ ||To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ || || ||^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ ||At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ||ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services ||Click the above link to learn more and get free research. || ||______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ ||To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ || | | |^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ |At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give |ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services |Click the above link to learn more and get free research. | |______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ |To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ | | |^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ |At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give |ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services |Click the above link to learn more and get free research. | |______________ • The ISP-DSL Discussion List • ______________ |To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:23:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 Problem free... no. When you deal with voice, Murphy's law is in full effect. Data is much easier than voice so it is not for the weak at heart. However, it is worth the effort. Lifeline and ADSL. My first customer for VoDSL gear is an ILEC that has 23 ADSL DSLAM's deployed. They plan on deploying over ADSL in order to support lifeline. The bad thing though is 4 lines will be recommended because of the poor symetric nature of ADSL (can only get 384/384 typically). Each channel is about 40k. Tollbridge is VoIP and we are the only ones. General Bandwidth advertises VoIP but it isn't here yet. Tollbridge has been field tested since September and we are prime time. That is our advantage. On paper, almost everyone professes around the same thing. I am out of the office very soon (after e-mails) and don't have readily available information. However, you have a relatively local Tollbridge salesman and he has sources in NYC on the CLEC side that can link you up for voice. His name is Lud Randazzo and is at 609-730-4850. He might also be able to track down some market information for you. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Herschlag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs OK, the answer sounds good. I just hope it works as problem free as you make it sound. So what are the gotchas in this plan so far? For one, I noticed in another post you mentioed this is not happening everywhere yet. Why is it taking so long in some areas. Another gotcha would be no lifeline POTS. If the DSL line is cut, whereas with normal POTs you'd likely have other trunks, all your VoDSL lines are down, and unlike T1 trunks, mean time to repair is poor. What other gotchas are there? How much impact on reducing data bandwidth can each voice channel have? While I'm at it with all these questions...ADSL supports baseband voice but can it not support VoDSL as well? Will your IAD gear work behind existing DSL bridges and routers, or does it have to be the first device connecting to the DSL line. Out of curiousity, if you don't mind, what is Tollbridge doing that is notably different or better than CopperCom, Jetstrea and General Bandwidth. Do you have any research projections indicating what percentage of businesses who already have DSL will upgrade to VoDSL and what percentage of new business DSL lines will be ordered with VoDSL, and what the average takeup will be in terms of number of voice lines, and $ spent per month. I'm looking for numbers to put into revised pro formas for our business plan. Obviously VoDSL has the potential to be a significant factor in future revenues. If you can help us with realistic information that would be useful. Btw, I need this info quickly as we are preparing a revision today in which we want to include VoDSL projections. Thanks, Daniel Herschlag Chief Executive Intercom Online 212 376 7440 www.intercom.com www.mydsl.com www.getyourdotcoms.com |-----Original Message----- |From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:39 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | | |QoS can be determined by two methods. One is IP and the other is ATM. It |is interesting that you say Covad and Northpoint because both of them can |enable one type of the service. | |IP QoS utilizes the Type Of Service header or TOS in an IP packet and the |Copper Mt. DSLAM's Northpoint uses are capable of IP-IQ software that does |this distinction. If it goes from the DSLAM back to the core then it would |have to do an FR-ATM interworking function. At that point, it can get |passed off to a ATM VC that is designated higher priority or value |by giving |it VBR-rt, nrt, UBR, UBR+... whatever as long as the voice gets treated |better. The ATM method just extends two VC's down to the customer premise |box / modem / IAD and the voice goes through the ATM network its own path |and priority back to the gateway. | |Darrell | |-----Original Message----- |From: Daniel Herschlag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:36 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs | | |Of course we are interested in VoDSL and see precisely the opportunity you |have outlined. And I am particularly interested to see what a co-op can do |to help move the situation along. As I see it now, we are |dependent as Covad |and Northpoint resellers on what deals they make with CLECs for |VoDSL, being |that they control their own DSLAMs. Of course, we can, in each metro area, |that we interconnect with such DSL carriers, split out the voice at the |point of interconnection with the carrier and hand that off to a CLEC, but |at that point the voice packets have traversed the carriers local network, |which is oversold in many cases and would likely result in inadequate QOS |for business-grade voice service. So what do we do about this situation? |What are Covad and Northpoint's current plans? | |Daniel Herschlag |Chief Executive |Intercom Online |212 376 7440 |www.intercom.com |www.mydsl.com |www.getyourdotcoms.com | ||-----Original Message----- ||From: Darrell Hale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ||Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:31 AM ||To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Subject: RE: Voice Coop for ISPs || || || ||Perhaps you don't understand completely. With Voice over DSL, you can get ||an extra 8 lines out of a DSL line easily and cost effectively. || ||As an ISP, you can offer a package of Voice, Data, and Long ||Distance that is ||35-50% under what Bell charges for the same service. || ||Now if you can't tell me that you couldn't sell 8 phone lines at ||$25 a piece ||(business lines I might add) and long distance for 5 cents a |minute with no ||minimum charge coupled with data for around $300-400 depending on the LD ||bill then I don't know what is wrong. Bell is charging $560 ||minimum for the ||same services around Dallas... I know because I shopped them. || ||You use one DSL line as a integrated service like you might have ||done with a ||T1 just a few years back. CPE's to support this type of service |are around ||$700... a modest price considering that is a full router and DSL ||Modem or T1 ||CSU/DSU. || ||Darrell || ||-----Original Message----- ||From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ||Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:35 PM ||To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Subject: Re: Voice Coop for ISPs || || ||Very very very few out here could justify anywhere near $500 extra ||per month ||just for long distance. || ||I'd love to offer voice over my wireless and dsl systems but ||people out here ||are paying only $35/month for high speed connections. I'm not going to be ||able to get much more out of them. || ||Marlon || ||----- Original Message ----- ||From: "Darrell Hale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ||To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ||Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM ||Subject: Voice Coop for ISPs || || ||> ||> For all of those ISPs out there that want to do voice services |my company ||is ||> starting up a voice coop of sorts with various CLECs around the country ||that ||> have existing GR-303 capable switches. As well, in conjunction ||with other ||> small switch companies such as Taqua and Network Telco, we can provide ||> end-to-end advice on how to equip a small CLEC for voice services. ||Probably ||> the first instance of this will be in South Central and South East. How ||> many ISPs out there would be interested in joining into an effot ||to get an ||> additional $300-500 revenue a month per DSL line to the small business ||> customer? ||> ||> This is an interest poll as well as any technical or business questions ||you ||> might have about how to do Voice over DSL. ||> ||> Darrell ||> ||> P.S. Those who use Bell... there might be problems... those who use ||> Northpoint, Covad, Rhythmns, New Edge etc. will have better luck adding ||> voice. || || || ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Looking to resell DSL... From: isp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:48:06 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL service as an additional service. I've seen three "paths" to take... 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new orders... This too we don't want... 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale pricing to us... we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... and the potential profitability? If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without sounding mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high volume of referrals/sales without long term involvement? Thank you Chris Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... From: "Bill Heinz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:28:59 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 We are a local DSL only ISP in Tampa, FL. And are looking for people to do exactly what you want. I realise you are probably looking for a national provider, but if you have any clients in the Greater Tampa Bay area, served by GTE, we would love to talk to you. We are looking for 'Authorized Resellers', people who would sell our DSL at a reduced rate, and be the middle man for billing purposes. Thanks! Bill Heinz Vice President TampaBayDSL www.TampabayDSL.com (813(243-8850 ----- Original Message ----- From: "isp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: Looking to resell DSL... > Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... > > We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL > service as an additional service. > > I've seen three "paths" to take... > > 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our > offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... > > 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new > orders... > This too we don't want... > > 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale > pricing to us... > we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. > > Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... > and the potential profitability? > > If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without > sounding > mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high > volume of > referrals/sales without long term involvement? > > Thank you > > Chris Ulrich > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: "Williams, Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:18:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Sorry for the confusion, we are national provider for DSL, and Local service. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Heinz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... > > We are a local DSL only ISP in Tampa, FL. And are looking for people to do > exactly what you want. I realise you are probably looking for a national > provider, but if you have any clients in the Greater Tampa Bay area, > served > by GTE, we would love to talk to you. We are looking for 'Authorized > Resellers', people who would sell our DSL at a reduced rate, and be the > middle man for billing purposes. > > Thanks! > > > Bill Heinz > Vice President > TampaBayDSL > www.TampabayDSL.com > (813(243-8850 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "isp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:48 AM > Subject: Looking to resell DSL... > > > > Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on > this.... > > > > We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start > offering DSL > > service as an additional service. > > > > I've seen three "paths" to take... > > > > 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and > our > > offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not > want... > > > > 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new > > orders... > > This too we don't want... > > > > 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale > > pricing to us... > > we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. > > > > Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & > failures... > > and the potential profitability? > > > > If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, > without > > sounding > > mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a > high > > volume of > > referrals/sales without long term involvement? > > > > Thank you > > > > Chris Ulrich > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > ______________ . The ISP-DSL Discussion List . ______________ > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ > > > > > ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: NEBS cross connect panels From: "Maier, Eric A, NNAD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:33:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 ADC and Telect and you can also check out your local Greybar Electric as well. Eric Maier -----Original Message----- From: Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NEBS cross connect panels Greetings all: Any suggestions for suppliers of 23" rackmount cross connection/patch panels? Looking probably for 25 pair telco connections on one side, modular or punchdown connections on the other. Vern ^^^^ http://www.genuity.com/dmail/ispoffers/e33.htm ^^^^^ At Genuity, formerly GTE Internetworking and BBN, we give ISP's Tier 1 access through two innovative services Click the above link to learn more and get free research. ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking to resell DSL... From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:03:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 In the PacBell territories of California it seems very difficult to sell DSL. I just had a dialup customer switch to PacBell because their $29.95 rate was significantly below my rate. I asked if this included the internet feed. His answer "yes". Jim CWIA isp wrote: > > Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... > > We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL > service as an additional service. > > I've seen three "paths" to take... > > 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our > offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... > > 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new > orders... > This too we don't want... > > 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale > pricing to us... > we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. > > Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... > and the potential profitability? > > If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without > sounding > mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high > volume of > referrals/sales without long term involvement? > > Thank you > > Chris Ulrich > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: Anthony Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:24:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 If you plan to have a large number of loops (>500-1000) you can tie into Covad's backhaul program. Essentially they give you a ATM DS3 into your DSL equipment (Red Back, Cisco 6400, etc.). Via that you can order loops anywhere in the US that Covad services. They will bring the PVCs over their nationwide ATM network and to your equipment. It's just a backhaul service, you have to have the equipment on your end which is not cheap. Your other choice is to hook up with a local or small nationwide ISP and pay a premium to share there equipment and ATM connection. I can tell you as someone that works for a company who resells DSL that it's a rough road. DSL loops go down a lot especially when you deal with a large number. Prepare to have a dedicated staff to just handle down DSL loops and sit on hold with Covad all day (normal wait is 25-30 mins per call). My point is make sure you can make some cash and plan your biz model well!!! A n t h o n y L a w s o n Systems/Networking Support - CCNA Semaphore Corporation - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: isp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking to resell DSL... Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL service as an additional service. I've seen three "paths" to take... 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new orders... This too we don't want... 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale pricing to us... we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... and the potential profitability? If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without sounding mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high volume of referrals/sales without long term involvement? Thank you Chris Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: Alex Ponnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:22:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 500 - 1000 Lines ?????? i want to se anyone who can get covad to sign a new deal for less the 5000 lines. Also, you maybe want to point out that the equipment 6400 or Redback is cheap compared to $ 10.000 + for a 5 meg national port with covad my 2 cents.... -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... If you plan to have a large number of loops (>500-1000) you can tie into Covad's backhaul program. Essentially they give you a ATM DS3 into your DSL equipment (Red Back, Cisco 6400, etc.). Via that you can order loops anywhere in the US that Covad services. They will bring the PVCs over their nationwide ATM network and to your equipment. It's just a backhaul service, you have to have the equipment on your end which is not cheap. Your other choice is to hook up with a local or small nationwide ISP and pay a premium to share there equipment and ATM connection. I can tell you as someone that works for a company who resells DSL that it's a rough road. DSL loops go down a lot especially when you deal with a large number. Prepare to have a dedicated staff to just handle down DSL loops and sit on hold with Covad all day (normal wait is 25-30 mins per call). My point is make sure you can make some cash and plan your biz model well!!! A n t h o n y L a w s o n Systems/Networking Support - CCNA Semaphore Corporation - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: isp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking to resell DSL... Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL service as an additional service. I've seen three "paths" to take... 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new orders... This too we don't want... 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale pricing to us... we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... and the potential profitability? If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without sounding mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high volume of referrals/sales without long term involvement? Thank you Chris Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: Rich Delaney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:36:39 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11 My background is with a Tier 1 provider. The dsl resell is a nightmare unless your just in for the turn and burn and don't care about install or if you are with a broadband provider. It sounds like you have a large enough base for option 3. Check out what I'm doing now. Much more fun. http://vsnetcall.vstream.com/netcall/tik.asp?P=1005563&S=3EFFBC042517990A If you plan to have a large number of loops (>500-1000) you can tie into Covad's backhaul program. Essentially they give you a ATM DS3 into your DSL equipment (Red Back, Cisco 6400, etc.). Via that you can order loops anywhere in the US that Covad services. They will bring the PVCs over their nationwide ATM network and to your equipment. It's just a backhaul service, you have to have the equipment on your end which is not cheap. Your other choice is to hook up with a local or small nationwide ISP and pay a premium to share there equipment and ATM connection. I can tell you as someone that works for a company who resells DSL that it's a rough road. DSL loops go down a lot especially when you deal with a large number. Prepare to have a dedicated staff to just handle down DSL loops and sit on hold with Covad all day (normal wait is 25-30 mins per call). My point is make sure you can make some cash and plan your biz model well!!! A n t h o n y L a w s o n Systems/Networking Support - CCNA Semaphore Corporation - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: isp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking to resell DSL... Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL service as an additional service. I've seen three "paths" to take... 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new orders... This too we don't want... 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale pricing to us... we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... and the potential profitability? If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without sounding mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high volume of referrals/sales without long term involvement? Thank you Chris Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ______________ * The ISP-DSL Discussion List * ______________ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-dsl/archives/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... From: "William Devine, II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:24:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 I had a client try to get onto Covad's national program and they were requiring a committment of 100k lines per YEAR to go direct with them. We're working on signing up with a 'distributor' now though which should give us something very similar to what we wanted. william -----Original Message----- From: Alex Ponnath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... 500 - 1000 Lines ?????? i want to se anyone who can get covad to sign a new deal for less the 5000 lines. Also, you maybe want to point out that the equipment 6400 or Redback is cheap compared to $ 10.000 + for a 5 meg national port with covad my 2 cents.... -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking to resell DSL... If you plan to have a large number of loops (>500-1000) you can tie into Covad's backhaul program. Essentially they give you a ATM DS3 into your DSL equipment (Red Back, Cisco 6400, etc.). Via that you can order loops anywhere in the US that Covad services. They will bring the PVCs over their nationwide ATM network and to your equipment. It's just a backhaul service, you have to have the equipment on your end which is not cheap. Your other choice is to hook up with a local or small nationwide ISP and pay a premium to share there equipment and ATM connection. I can tell you as someone that works for a company who resells DSL that it's a rough road. DSL loops go down a lot especially when you deal with a large number. Prepare to have a dedicated staff to just handle down DSL loops and sit on hold with Covad all day (normal wait is 25-30 mins per call). My point is make sure you can make some cash and plan your biz model well!!! A n t h o n y L a w s o n Systems/Networking Support - CCNA Semaphore Corporation - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: isp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking to resell DSL... Hello all. I've been lurking for a while trying to get a handle on this.... We are a web host with several thousand clients. We want to start offering DSL service as an additional service. I've seen three "paths" to take... 1. Someone like COVAD provides the connection between our customers and our offices and we provide the connection to the Internet. This we do not want... 2. Some have a "reseller program" that pays a 5-10% commission on new orders... This too we don't want... 3. Others have a "wholesale" program that gives good deep wholesale pricing to us... we in turn charge our clients. This is what we are looking for. Can anyone comment on who they have used for #3... the successes & failures... and the potential profitability? If someone could pursue #3, why would they go after #2? Or is #2, without sounding mean, for "smaller time" operations who are just looking to generate a high volume of referrals/sales without long term involvement? 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