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I vote for returning to talking about product, there are other mailing 
lists that this topic is heavily discussed. 

/m

Gary said the following:

"I believe you should choose your words a little more carefully; 
inflammatory
verbiage only requires a spark to ignite a flamewar...

If  your talking about configuring ACLs on a router, or writing PERL 
scripts to
monitor audit logs, you would be correct. But, I disagree if you mean
instituting and managing an effective Information Security Program for a 
large
corporation.  Although you may "feel" omnisicent as root on your corporate
firewall; you won't get paid or get new goodies to play with without a 
dedicated
security professional managing the Information Security department and 
budget.

Gary Dentremont, CISSP
Information Security Officer
Towers Perrin"


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