Osario, 

ISS has being offering Intrusion Protection for a long time! The technology
is not new, it was established and proven by Network ICE in 1999 who were
subsequently merged into ISS. The ISS Network Sensor, Guard, (in-path system
--really cool!), ServerSensor and desktop protector all use the ICE
technology which is not reliant on signatures alone for detection and
prevention. (Signatures can still be really useful in very fast prevention
of DoS attacks before the packet had been fully decoded!) The ICE system
uses full 7-layer protocol analysis with heuristics hence detects attacks
that are not even known about yet! (example, our system detected and
prevented Code Red before it was even announced!)

The concept of "marking" is theoretically good but false negatives and
positives can abound, for example, I see many apparent "scoping" packets
which are actually remote applications scanning ports legitimately, and the
ports scans change, I do NOT want this traffic "marked" and later blocked,
some of our specialised applications would not work any more! The other
issue is that internal hacking cannot really be effectively handled by
Network based boxes and sensors, you need software on the Server such as ISS
server Sensor.

There are more issues on a good prevention system than you can shake a stick
at, ISS specialise in this area and their Resellers work with you to provide
a solution that will work! 

I see so many releases of wonderful "appliances" that will do IDP, content
Scanning, AV etc, every month, I have yet to find anything to beat good
individual products from proven specialists like ISS. I am always open to
new ideas, but that is what they usually tend to be. I recentlly trialled a
"wonder box" for all the above and it worked well until I tried complex
attacks like fragmented packet attacks, the content filtering was just a
limited URL filter and the Av was the only part that worked well --- up to
200 users, after that the box began to fall apart!

hope this helps

John



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Subject: [ISSForum] INTRUSION DETECTION vs INTRUSION PREVENTION


My company is looking into intrusion prevention instead of ISS IDS. Does
ISS have any plan to fully incorporate intrusion prevention into their
architecture?
We are currently looking into two companies --- OKENA.COM and FORESCOUT.COM
Any thoughts on those two companies?

Thanks
Osaro Osagie
CCSA, CCNA, CISSP
ALLTEL Information Technology



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