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Justin Bertram commented on ARTEMIS-3102:
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bq. Client cannot deal with it as it doesn't know if the user is not 
authenticated or not authorized.

As far as I can tell whether or not the client can deal with it is ultimately 
up to the client. For example, the client can deal with it if it recognizes 
that everything which it tries to do results in a 
{{javax.jms.JMSSecurityException}}. Every client must be prepared to deal with 
the possibility that it can authenticate but is not authorized to do anything. 
Your use-case with an expired token is not really any different except for the 
timing.

There is no specification which outlines the expected behavior here. If we 
implement what you suggest we could be breaking other users who depend on the 
current behavior. For example, consider a use-case where the application wants 
to stay connected to the broker because the user's account may be restored 
which will allow authentication and authorization to succeed again with any 
reconnection.

> ActiveMQSecurityManager5 should disconnect user when his authentication is 
> not valid anymore
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: ARTEMIS-3102
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-3102
>             Project: ActiveMQ Artemis
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>          Components: Broker
>    Affects Versions: 2.16.0
>            Reporter: Luís Alves
>            Priority: Major
>
> On the following code block:
> {code:java}
> final Boolean validated;
>          if (securityManager instanceof ActiveMQSecurityManager5) {
>             Subject subject = getSubjectForAuthorization(session, 
> ((ActiveMQSecurityManager5) securityManager));
>             validated = ((ActiveMQSecurityManager5) 
> securityManager).authorize(subject, roles, checkType, fqqn != null ? 
> fqqn.toString() : bareAddress.toString());
>          }
> {code}
> when the retrieved Subject is null (means the user cannot authenticate 
> anymore) the connection should be terminated. If not this will cause that the 
> user is not authorized to do the operation, but in fact he shouldn't not even 
> be allowed to connect. 
> Quoting [~gtully] on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARTEMIS-2886 where 
> he explains very well the problem:
> {quote}I don't think your use case is unique to OpenID, the cached ldap jaas 
> login module can find that permissions have been removed from ldap at runtime 
> and that authorization has been removed. Once the cache expires and jaas is 
> again asked, it too will return a null subject i think and subsequent 
> operations will result in exceptions in the same way. I don't know how it 
> will behave if a user is no longer valid.
> typically a security exception on initial connection, a failure to 
> authenticate, will cause the connection to be rejected, the connection to 
> close. But security exceptions are expected at runtime if you have access to 
> some resources and not others and are not aware of that. If permissions 
> change at runtime, some variation here is ok.
> If however, a users is no longer able to authenticate (in your case, the 
> token has expired and cannot be renewed, then we need to drop the connection.
> as a straw man design:
> We may have to change the use of Subject in the code, a valid subject is non 
> null and has a valid artemis user principal. We need to check for the 
> presence of the user principal. That can indicate if the authentication is 
> still valid. If we can proceed with authorization checks.
> At runtime, we may find that the non null subject becomes invalid b/c the 
> artemis principal is removed and that should cause any authorisation attempt 
> to fail and the connection to error out or be forcefully closed.
> I think we need to do something like this.{quote}



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