I don't know if it fulfills your needs, but here are a lot of alternatives for solder and flux. And almost everything is avaliable for free shipping :
www.dealextreme.com 2010/9/2 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> > Hi guys, > > Thanks guys for all your suggestions and advices. I think I'll go for this > one: http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522851 > > In order to surface solder, I'd need a flux pen, from what I could > read/see. Do I need type RA (or RMA) ? Like this one: > http://www.amazon.co.uk/CircuitWorksÂ<http://www.amazon.co.uk/CircuitWorks%C3%82>®-Flux-Dispensing-Pen/dp/B003EDQ0Q8/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1283424287&sr=8-1-fkmr1 > ? Or type BC or something like that ? > > > > Thanks > Seb > > 2010/9/2 vasile surducan <[email protected]> > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:39 AM, Serdar K. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sebastien, >>> >>> I used 137ESD for a short time, and I can tell that the product you get >>> is worth 99USD , because you see the exact temperature on the tip and the >>> temperature you have set, with help of a switch, and i think it has a stable >>> temperature within 1-2 degrees error band. That is needed for temperature >>> control. >> >> >> >> >> >>> If the control circuit is not digital and contains no measurement, then >>> the thermostat is mechanic or at least a wide temperature band & hysteresis >>> one. >> >> >> >> The statement above is not quite true. For example the U217 is a zero >> cross IC control which keep the iron tip temperature at +/-2C. >> http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/26117/TEMIC/U217.html >> Has no digital control, nor any any display measurement, but need an >> inexpensive temperature sensor like KTY84. >> Analog solutions are as good as digital sometimes... >> :) >> >> Vasile >> >> >> >>> Also the ceramic heater heats and cools fast, i can say. >>> >>> The stand and general material quality is also good. >>> >>> The kind of device for 99USD is the best you can get for that price if >>> you won't pay more hundreds and get a more professional and complicated hot >>> air SMD (de)soldering station. The tip alternatives are also avaliable for >>> 137 ESD. If you can afford it, i can say you can use it a long time with tip >>> changes and buying tips which you can need in time. But if you want a >>> cheaper one, of course the $20 one is not bad. It has also a stand and tip >>> simple temperature control, i assume. >>> >>> Of course, all are my thoughts, and there is not only one right choice on >>> this matter. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Serdar >>> >>> 2010/8/30 Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>> >>> Hi Serdar, Joep, >>>> >>>> Thanks for advices, though 99USD or the like for a soldering iron looks >>>> expensive... Does it really worth it ? Vasile's suggestion is something >>>> closed to 20$, variable temp though no digital thermostat. I've also been >>>> suggested this one: >>>> http://www.selectronic.fr/article.asp?article_ref_entier=10.1806-9999#, >>>> cheap too. >>>> >>>> What can make such differences in prices ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Seb >>>> >>>> 2010/8/27 Serdar K. <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> I can tell you that a digital thermostat is cool, and the station type >>>>> work can do more for you (with different tips) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.howardelectronics.com/Xytronic/137ESD.html >>>>> and the new version >>>>> http://www.howardelectronics.com/Xytronic/LF1600.html >>>>> >>>>> If you can afford giving 99USD, and can find 137ESD, i guess you can >>>>> use it long time if you be careful.. >>>>> The resistance is ceramic, so you shouldn't drop the iron for its good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Temperature control is a must for SMD work. >>>>> >>>>> There are other ways to do better and easier ( i still couldn't try to >>>>> do it, but i have bought the liquid solder from dealextreme). You should >>>>> take some time examining the sites deeply : >>>>> >>>>> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/200006/oven_art.htm >>>>> >>>>> http://www.homanndesigns.com/SMDToasterOvenProject.html >>>>> http://www.homanndesigns.com/oven.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/tutorial_info.php?tutorials_id=59&page= >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Home-reflow-SMD-soldering/ >>>>> You should go through steps clicking "next". It is a nice resource: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Extreme-Surface-Mount-Soldering/step2/The-Hot-Plate-Soldering-System/ >>>>> >>>>> 2010/8/27 funlw65 <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> Mine is 25Watt and is good for the little jobs I do... >>>>>> All I need is a bunch of "sharp" tips to be able to solder small >>>>>> vias... >>>>>> A powerful soldering iron ca burn fast your thin tips if you don't >>>>>> have a soldering station - I think... I don't have that. >>>>>> Also, it can burn fast all the flux before making the joint. >>>>>> Too much flux and a powerful soldering iron can float your traces in >>>>>> no time. You need to be very skilled to work with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Better a super-magnifying glass (monocle or with "leg" support), a >>>>>> small solder iron and 0.4, 0.5 mm diameter solder wire. This is what >>>>>> it works for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vasi(funlw65) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 4:48 pm, Sebastien Lelong <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > I don't know, maybe surface solder requires hight temp. ? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2010/8/27 mattschinkel <[email protected]> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Is variable temperature really important? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > Matt. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > -- >>>>>> > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> > > "jallib" group. >>>>>> > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> > > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>>> <jallib%[email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > . >>>>>> > > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Sébastien Lelonghttp://www.sirloon.nethttp://sirbot.org >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "jallib" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Serdar KIZILTOPRAK >>>>> Intelligence **Technology Systems >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.i-t-sys.com >>>>> +90(216) 518 15 00* >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "jallib" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sébastien Lelong >>>> http://www.sirloon.net >>>> http://sirbot.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "jallib" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Serdar KIZILTOPRAK >>> Intelligence **Technology Systems >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.i-t-sys.com >>> +90(216) 518 15 00* >>> ** >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "jallib" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "jallib" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Sébastien Lelong > http://www.sirloon.net > http://sirbot.org > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "jallib" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<jallib%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/jallib?hl=en. > -- *Serdar KIZILTOPRAK Intelligence **Technology Systems [email protected] http://www.i-t-sys.com +90(216) 518 15 00* ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "jallib" group. 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