On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Joep Suijs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Vasile,
>
> > I have never used solderless breadboards. And I will never use.
> > Of course I have used 100mil pre-drilled breadboards, in which routes
> > are connected with soldered (or rolled) wire-wrapping.
> > ..
> > If someone did such thing once, will never do it again, it's the
> > best way of learning...from mistakes.
>
> I agree with you on solderless breadboards: I've used them a few times
> and wasted a lot of time on chasing issues that were not related to
> the circuit. So okay for connecting a led, but that's it. From this
> perspective the cell makes sense: the circuit you depend upon is on
> the pcb and not on the breadboard. On the other hand: a jaluino board
> with a small breadboard does the same.
>
> The pre-drilled solder breadboards (or perfboards like Wouter calls
> them in his shop) are my prefered way of working. Way more flexible
> than pcb's, allow for incremental work and don't suffer from the
> solderless breadboard instability. I use it for almost all 0f my
> projects and have few dozen of those boards working.
>


  Hi Joep,

 If the project is a big one (not only a few components), or a specific one
which need a PCB with complicated shape, the time spent for soldering wires
at least at two ends on a perfboard and cut the perfboard is longer than the
time spent to design and manufacture a board, even a homebrewed one (using
toner transfer).

This can be understand with difficulty by nowadays computer guys, however
imagine that it was an era when there wasn't any computer and homebrew PCB
was manufactured by hand using a nib and ink (carmine ink). In that days
manufacturing a PCB with 10 integrated circuits onboard tooks for me about 8
hours.

Another trick you can use (and I see nobody did here, or at least didn't
show) is to create a "heart" design, which match with various applications.
Is much better than using jaluino/arduino/picolino because can be transfered
from one project to another using copy and paste. In this fancy way you
don't have stacked boards or other silly solutions which can blench your
hear. Any time when have to design a project using for example PIC64F2011,
you copy the "heart" and put it on your new design. The same with
pheripherals (SD card, I2C memory, USB, USB/RS232, stepper driver etc).
Designing a board is less painful than writing the code (at least for me),
anyway you all know that a good code has at least ten-twenty revisions since
works as it shout, while a good PCB has only one. The key is: "don't rush!".

work with joy,

Vasile


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