Thank you this is minimum. On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:43:59 PM UTC+4:30 [email protected] wrote:
> Hi Majid, > > Discussing this without any sample program doet not help to analyze the > problem. > > Back to my previous question. Did you minimize the program so that you are > only testing the communication? > > Can you send a sample program and maybe also a schematic diagram of the > hardware you are using? > > Kind regards, > > Rob > > ------------------------------ > *Van:* [email protected] <[email protected]> namens majid > ebru <[email protected]> > *Verzonden:* zaterdag 24 april 2021 17:35 > > *Aan:* jallib <[email protected]> > *Onderwerp:* Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over medium > distance > Reverse polarity?! > Sorry but how do I do that?! > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:24:34 PM UTC+4:30 Kiste wrote: > > So you're sending 57 (=0b00111001 or "9") and receiving 99 (=0b01100011 or > "c"). Could be reverse polarity. > > > > Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 16:41:57 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > > > > > > Hi > > PIc1(sender) : > forever loop > if btn1 then block > serial_sw_data = "9" > delay_1ms(5) > end if > end loop > --------------------------------------------- > > > > PIc2(receiver) : > forever loop > if (serial_sw_read(char)) then block > lcd_cursor_position(1,1) > print_byte_dec(lcd, char+ "0") -- ==> i see in LCD : 147 > ---------- > lcd_cursor_position(1,8) -- ==> i see in LCD : ( c ) -- > character c > lcd = char > end block > end if > end loop > --------------------------------------------- > > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:56:21 PM UTC+4:30 majid ebru wrote: > > > > Hi again > > > > I'm very confused. > > > > Why can't I send and receive?!?😫😫😫😫 > > > > I tested both codes,integer and ASCII code , but I read incorrect data. > > > > What is your suggestions ?! > > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 2:23:56 PM UTC+4:30 Kiste wrote: > >> It is important whether you use one or the other. If the sender speaks > tagalog, and the receiver expects to hear mandarin, they won't be able to > communicate. > >> > >> Greets, > >> Kiste > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 11:49:49 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> It isn't important that I read ASCII or .... . > >> It is important that I read true. > >> > >> Thanks , I will test and I say result. > >> > >> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC+4:30 [email protected] > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Majid, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If you want to print it - as ASCII -on the receiving side, change > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> temp[i] = char > >>> > >>> by > >>> > >>> temp[i] = char + "0" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Then you can print it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Kind regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Rob > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> Van: 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib <[email protected]>Verzonden: > zaterdag 24 april 2021 09:07Aan: [email protected] < > [email protected]> > >>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over medium > distance > >>> You're sending binary and trying to receive ad ASCII > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 09:00:37 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For example,I want to send 642 .... > >>> > >>> I use this code in sender > >>> ... > >>> Serial_sw_data = 6 > >>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>> Serial_sw_data = 4 > >>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>> Serial_sw_data = 2 > >>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>> ... > >>> > >>> But in receiver , I can't read correctly. > >>> > >>> Var byte Temp[3] > >>> Var byte i = 0 > >>> For loop > >>> If serial_sw_read(char) then > >>> Temp[i] = char > >>> Print_string(lcd,Temp[i]) > >>> i = i + 1 > >>> If 2 < i then i = 0 end if > >>> End loop > >>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:19:31 AM UTC+4:30 majid ebru wrote: > >>>> Thank all > >>>> > >>>> But I need sample code for read. > >>>> > >>>> Almost ,all documents use write code and I didn't saw read code. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:58:36 AM UTC+4:30 vasile wrote: > >>>>> Majid, one good practice when you're testing communication between > two embedded systems (A and B) is to check each one with a terminal first. > >>>>> > >>>>> Assuming A is sending to B and B receives and does something on IO > port, test first the TX of A to the computer terminal, then RX of B from > the computer terminal. After that, only if each one works ok, connect TX/RX > of A with B. Some good free terminals for this job (search for:) Realterm, > Teraterm, Termite. You may also need a hardware converter which depends on > your computer (if you have a real COM port with RS232 levels or just an > USB/RS232 with 3.3V or 5V levels). > >>>>> > >>>>> This approach will protect you from a lot of trouble and make you > understand if a byte, a word, an ASCII or something else is truly > sent/received and was sent/received in the right order. > >>>>> > >>>>> Simplify your work by sending and receiving ASCII symbols first and > then understand all the used procedures from the libraries (this is > mandatory to understand which is your fault/misunderstanding or which is > the software bug... there are bugs in any software...:) ). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:36 AM Rob CJ <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you want to send an integer value you indeed have to send it in > bytes. But that thouls be faily easy with JAL. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If have for example a variable of type word you can do the > following > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> var word my_word_variable > >>>>>> > >>>>>> var byte my_byte_variable_low at my_word_variable > >>>>>> > >>>>>> var byte my_byte_high at my_word_variable + 1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can then send both 'my_byte' variables separately and in the > other PIC you do the same, read the two bytes which are mapped to a word. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Als see the documentation of the JAL compiler. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rob > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 april 2021 19:47 > >>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]> > >>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over medium > distance > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please help me > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I almost work with micro ,12 years ago . > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now I can't send / receive data?! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I should send and receive an integer(like adv value and ....) , but > in serial_sw_data I just can send a byte ?!?!!! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And just read a byte with serial_sw_read(char)?! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know that my kowlage about electronic is wake , but now I should > do read&write data?! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please guide me,🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:23:23 PM UTC+4:30 > [email protected] wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You have to provide more information. How do you know that they > stopped? Did you narrow down the code down to the minimal size to show that > it fails? If so you can share that code. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And to answer your other - not posted - comment. Due to the fact > that you use this group to answer trivial questions that you can find on > the Internet (which you should not do) and which are specific JAL or PIC > related, your posts are now moderated. Only posts which are relevant to > this group are passed on to the other group members. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Rob > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 april 2021 20:19 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]>Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] > How to send & receive data over medium distance > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Please help me again😢😢😫😫🥺🥺🤔🤔 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> When I connected two PICs together , everything is ok. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But when disconnect port serial , both PICs hanged ?!?! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Both micro stoped , and when connected again ,both micro work > correctly?! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> In fact both micro stopped in line : if serial_sw_read(char)) > then block .... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And doesn't run other codes🤔🥺😫😢 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why?! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> How should I do ?! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:12:03 PM UTC+4:30 funlw65(Vasi) > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The microcontroller boards that are used in Polish Universities > are all equipped with (external - note for Majid) RS485 chips. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 4:54 PM Rob CJ <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Please use Google to find out what RS485 and IIC is. Use the > Jallib group for issues with libraries and the compiler not for general > questions that you can easily find on the internet. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Rob > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Verzonden: woensdag 21 april 2021 15:47 > >>>>>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over > medium distance > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RS485 is very powerful. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But I don't how to implement in PIC?!? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Is i2c the same rs485?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:41:19 PM UTC+4:30 vasile > wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> At 15m and 5V there is no problem with data sent in current. > Using twisted wire cable is a good habit. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> From the EMI perspective twisted cable it is about half as good > as a shielded cable and has the parasitic capacity quite low compared with > the shielded cable. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> RS485 (standard 32 loads) is feasible at 1Km and quite high > speed. Still there is an issue with the ground line and requires good > terminators. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Data goes either on A&B plus ground cable (three wires between > Tx and RX) or just A&B (two wire cable) and ground connected to earth on > the transmitter and receiver end. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In the last configuration an issue is quite frequent caused by > an offset (variable ground potential between TX and RX). > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Also lightning is a problem for outdoor cables...and nothing > help... :)... no matter how others will convince you to put three tranzorbs > on each TX and RX end. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> happy communications! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:32 AM 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the additional information, 800m is something very > different from 20m ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I can imagine that 20m at 5V ground-referenced is doable, but > when you're starting, better stick to the specifications and try your luck > when you have a bit of experience. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I myself am at a similar project, like 15 meter, and I want to > use as little standby current as possible, and no twisted pairs. It's > uni-directional, with constant-current pullup at the receiver and optically > isolated pulldown at the sender with 1200 baud... First test of the concept > in a few days ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If standby current was of no concern, I'd use RS422 or RS485 > drivers/receivers, true RS232 is old-fashioned and needs to many > components. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Greets, > >>>>>>>>>>> Kiste > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 21. April 2021, 07:02:46 MESZ hat vsurducan < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Oliver, I remember the problems I had with an EIA232 with > +/-8V output running at 800m at 9600bps. Everything works until due the > transceiver heating the voltage dropped at +/-7.6V...:) > >>>>>>>>>>> The length is given by the voltage at the level converter of > the transmitter output. All level converters with charge pumps are not able > to give more than +/-8V...+/-10V in the happiest circumstances. > >>>>>>>>>>> Oldest/goldest EIA232 worked at +/-25V up to 2km. > >>>>>>>>>>> For 20m you do noy need any level converter at the output of > your PIC, just a twisted pair RX-GND TX-GND (CAT5 ethernet cable is > perfect) and an open collector transmitter ( a gate) with pull-up resistor > in the receiver end (at 20m distance from the transmitter). > >>>>>>>>>>> However Majid, I think you need first to learn jal and for > that there is a learning curve which has to be passed.... > >>>>>>>>>>> Please start with the examples, compile them, make them run, > modify them as you wish and post only when nothing works for you after > three days of trying...this will help you more than you may believe right > now... > >>>>>>>>>>> best wishes > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 7:28 AM 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> SPI is designed for centimeters, I don't think it can work > reliably over 20 meters. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> RS232 at 9600 baud is ok for 150 meters, if you're using real > RS232 drivers and receivers like from the MAX232 series. The PIC controller > does not have RS232, it has a usart which handles the NRZ protocol. This > protocol is best known as being used by the RS232 interface. Therefore the > protocol itself is commonly (but wrongly) referred to as "RS232" > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> RS232 uses negative voltages as a symbolic "1" and positive > voltages for "0". At the receiving side, the voltage must at least go > higher than +3V for "0" and lower than -3V for "1". At the sending side, > voltages from up to +15V and down to -15V are used. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So, to answer your question in two simple sentences: RS232 is > ok for the job. But RS232 is not what comes out of the controller. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Greets, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kiste > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 20. 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