oh my god if i change this bit , i don't have any communication between PICs. just in this mode(Master = "const serial_sw_invert = false" and Slave "const serial_sw_invert = true" , you write mistake ) , i can send/receive and in other modes , i can't send/receive and PICs stopped (because i have a led for blanking ,in other modes led doesn't work)
how do i do for solve? On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:58:18 PM UTC+4:30 Kiste wrote: > Master has > > "const serial_sw_invert = true" > > Slave has > > "const serial_sw_invert = false" > > That is what I meant by mismatched polarity > > > > > > > Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 19:19:14 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > > > > > > Thank you > this is minimum. > > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 8:43:59 PM UTC+4:30 [email protected] > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Majid, > > > > > > > > > > Discussing this without any sample program doet not help to analyze the > problem. > > > > > > > > > > Back to my previous question. Did you minimize the program so that you > are only testing the communication? > > > > > > > > > > Can you send a sample program and maybe also a schematic diagram of the > hardware you are using? > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens majid > ebru <[email protected]> > > Verzonden: zaterdag 24 april 2021 17:35 > > Aan: jallib <[email protected]>Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to > send & receive data over medium distance > > Reverse polarity?! > > Sorry but how do I do that?! > > > > > > On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 7:24:34 PM UTC+4:30 Kiste wrote: > > > > > >> So you're sending 57 (=0b00111001 or "9") and receiving 99 > (=0b01100011 or "c"). Could be reverse polarity. > >> > >> > >> > >> Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 16:41:57 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi > >> > >> PIc1(sender) : > >> forever loop > >> if btn1 then block > >> serial_sw_data = "9" > >> delay_1ms(5) > >> end if > >> end loop > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> PIc2(receiver) : > >> forever loop > >> if (serial_sw_read(char)) then block > >> lcd_cursor_position(1,1) > >> print_byte_dec(lcd, char+ "0") -- ==> i see in LCD : 147 > >> ---------- > >> lcd_cursor_position(1,8) -- ==> i see in LCD : ( c ) -- > character c > >> lcd = char > >> end block > >> end if > >> end loop > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> > >> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:56:21 PM UTC+4:30 majid ebru wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi again > >>> > >>> I'm very confused. > >>> > >>> Why can't I send and receive?!?😫😫😫😫 > >>> > >>> I tested both codes,integer and ASCII code , but I read incorrect > data. > >>> > >>> What is your suggestions ?! > >>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 2:23:56 PM UTC+4:30 Kiste wrote: > >>>> It is important whether you use one or the other. If the sender > speaks tagalog, and the receiver expects to hear mandarin, they won't be > able to communicate. > >>>> > >>>> Greets, > >>>> Kiste > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 11:49:49 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi > >>>> > >>>> It isn't important that I read ASCII or .... . > >>>> It is important that I read true. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks , I will test and I say result. > >>>> > >>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC+4:30 > [email protected] wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want to print it - as ASCII -on the receiving side, change > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> temp[i] = char > >>>>> > >>>>> by > >>>>> > >>>>> temp[i] = char + "0" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Then you can print it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Rob > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> Van: 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib <[email protected]>Verzonden: > zaterdag 24 april 2021 09:07Aan: [email protected] < > [email protected]> > >>>>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over medium > distance > >>>>> You're sending binary and trying to receive ad ASCII > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Am Samstag, 24. April 2021, 09:00:37 MESZ hat majid ebru < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> For example,I want to send 642 .... > >>>>> > >>>>> I use this code in sender > >>>>> ... > >>>>> Serial_sw_data = 6 > >>>>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>>>> Serial_sw_data = 4 > >>>>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>>>> Serial_sw_data = 2 > >>>>> Delay_1ms(2) > >>>>> ... > >>>>> > >>>>> But in receiver , I can't read correctly. > >>>>> > >>>>> Var byte Temp[3] > >>>>> Var byte i = 0 > >>>>> For loop > >>>>> If serial_sw_read(char) then > >>>>> Temp[i] = char > >>>>> Print_string(lcd,Temp[i]) > >>>>> i = i + 1 > >>>>> If 2 < i then i = 0 end if > >>>>> End loop > >>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 11:19:31 AM UTC+4:30 majid ebru > wrote: > >>>>>> Thank all > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But I need sample code for read. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Almost ,all documents use write code and I didn't saw read code. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 10:58:36 AM UTC+4:30 vasile wrote: > >>>>>>> Majid, one good practice when you're testing communication between > two embedded systems (A and B) is to check each one with a terminal first. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Assuming A is sending to B and B receives and does something on IO > port, test first the TX of A to the computer terminal, then RX of B from > the computer terminal. After that, only if each one works ok, connect TX/RX > of A with B. Some good free terminals for this job (search for:) Realterm, > Teraterm, Termite. You may also need a hardware converter which depends on > your computer (if you have a real COM port with RS232 levels or just an > USB/RS232 with 3.3V or 5V levels). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This approach will protect you from a lot of trouble and make you > understand if a byte, a word, an ASCII or something else is truly > sent/received and was sent/received in the right order. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Simplify your work by sending and receiving ASCII symbols first > and then understand all the used procedures from the libraries (this is > mandatory to understand which is your fault/misunderstanding or which is > the software bug... there are bugs in any software...:) ). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:36 AM Rob CJ <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you want to send an integer value you indeed have to send it > in bytes. But that thouls be faily easy with JAL. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If have for example a variable of type word you can do the > following > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> var word my_word_variable > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> var byte my_byte_variable_low at my_word_variable > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> var byte my_byte_high at my_word_variable + 1 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can then send both 'my_byte' variables separately and in the > other PIC you do the same, read the two bytes which are mapped to a word. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Als see the documentation of the JAL compiler. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rob > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 april 2021 19:47 > >>>>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over > medium distance > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please help me > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I almost work with micro ,12 years ago . > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now I can't send / receive data?! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I should send and receive an integer(like adv value and ....) , > but in serial_sw_data I just can send a byte ?!?!!! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> And just read a byte with serial_sw_read(char)?! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know that my kowlage about electronic is wake , but now I > should do read&write data?! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please guide me,🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:23:23 PM UTC+4:30 > [email protected] wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You have to provide more information. How do you know that they > stopped? Did you narrow down the code down to the minimal size to show that > it fails? If so you can share that code. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And to answer your other - not posted - comment. Due to the > fact that you use this group to answer trivial questions that you can find > on the Internet (which you should not do) and which are specific JAL or PIC > related, your posts are now moderated. Only posts which are relevant to > this group are passed on to the other group members. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Rob > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 april 2021 20:19 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]>Onderwerp: Re: NT: > [jallib] How to send & receive data over medium distance > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Please help me again😢😢😫😫🥺🥺🤔🤔 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> When I connected two PICs together , everything is ok. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But when disconnect port serial , both PICs hanged ?!?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Both micro stoped , and when connected again ,both micro work > correctly?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> In fact both micro stopped in line : if serial_sw_read(char)) > then block .... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> And doesn't run other codes🤔🥺😫😢 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Why?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> How should I do ?! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:12:03 PM UTC+4:30 > funlw65(Vasi) wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The microcontroller boards that are used in Polish Universities > are all equipped with (external - note for Majid) RS485 chips. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 4:54 PM Rob CJ <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Please use Google to find out what RS485 and IIC is. Use the > Jallib group for issues with libraries and the compiler not for general > questions that you can easily find on the internet. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Rob > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> Van: [email protected] <[email protected]> namens > majid ebru <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>> Verzonden: woensdag 21 april 2021 15:47 > >>>>>>>>>>> Aan: jallib <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: NT: [jallib] How to send & receive data over > medium distance > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> RS485 is very powerful. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> But I don't how to implement in PIC?!? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Is i2c the same rs485?! > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:41:19 PM UTC+4:30 vasile > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> At 15m and 5V there is no problem with data sent in current. > Using twisted wire cable is a good habit. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From the EMI perspective twisted cable it is about half as > good as a shielded cable and has the parasitic capacity quite low compared > with the shielded cable. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> RS485 (standard 32 loads) is feasible at 1Km and quite high > speed. Still there is an issue with the ground line and requires good > terminators. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Data goes either on A&B plus ground cable (three wires > between Tx and RX) or just A&B (two wire cable) and ground connected to > earth on the transmitter and receiver end. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> In the last configuration an issue is quite frequent caused > by an offset (variable ground potential between TX and RX). > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also lightning is a problem for outdoor cables...and nothing > help... :)... no matter how others will convince you to put three tranzorbs > on each TX and RX end. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> happy communications! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:32 AM 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the additional information, 800m is something > very different from 20m ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can imagine that 20m at 5V ground-referenced is doable, > but when you're starting, better stick to the specifications and try your > luck when you have a bit of experience. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I myself am at a similar project, like 15 meter, and I want > to use as little standby current as possible, and no twisted pairs. It's > uni-directional, with constant-current pullup at the receiver and optically > isolated pulldown at the sender with 1200 baud... First test of the concept > in a few days ;-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> If standby current was of no concern, I'd use RS422 or RS485 > drivers/receivers, true RS232 is old-fashioned and needs to many > components. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greets, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiste > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 21. April 2021, 07:02:46 MESZ hat vsurducan < > [email protected]> Folgendes geschrieben: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oliver, I remember the problems I had with an EIA232 with > +/-8V output running at 800m at 9600bps. Everything works until due the > transceiver heating the voltage dropped at +/-7.6V...:) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The length is given by the voltage at the level converter of > the transmitter output. All level converters with charge pumps are not able > to give more than +/-8V...+/-10V in the happiest circumstances. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oldest/goldest EIA232 worked at +/-25V up to 2km. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For 20m you do noy need any level converter at the output of > your PIC, just a twisted pair RX-GND TX-GND (CAT5 ethernet cable is > perfect) and an open collector transmitter ( a gate) with pull-up resistor > in the receiver end (at 20m distance from the transmitter). > >>>>>>>>>>>>> However Majid, I think you need first to learn jal and for > that there is a learning curve which has to be passed.... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please start with the examples, compile them, make them run, > modify them as you wish and post only when nothing works for you after > three days of trying...this will help you more than you may believe right > now... > >>>>>>>>>>>>> best wishes > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 7:28 AM 'Oliver Seitz' via jallib < > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Majid, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SPI is designed for centimeters, I don't think it can work > reliably over 20 meters. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS232 at 9600 baud is ok for 150 meters, if you're using > real RS232 drivers and receivers like from the MAX232 series. The PIC > controller does not have RS232, it has a usart which handles the NRZ > protocol. This protocol is best known as being used by the RS232 interface. > Therefore the protocol itself is commonly (but wrongly) referred to as > "RS232" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RS232 uses negative voltages as a symbolic "1" and positive > voltages for "0". At the receiving side, the voltage must at least go > higher than +3V for "0" and lower than -3V for "1". At the sending side, > voltages from up to +15V and down to -15V are used. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, to answer your question in two simple sentences: RS232 > is ok for the job. But RS232 is not what comes out of the controller. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greets, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiste > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Dienstag, 20. 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