Charles Benett wrote:

> "Stanley,Michael P." wrote:
> 
>> I have become very interested in your product, more so I am interested
>> in helping with some development.
> 
> 
> Ace!
> 
>>  I was planning on writing a decent
>> listserve mailet.
> 
> 
> You know there is one included? Feel free to improve it.

We'll I will be using that as a starting point but I feel it really 
isn't a suitable alternative for other more mature mailling list engines 
(i.e. Mailman).  I don't like using mailman and think that a good 
listserve and listserve manager is something the java oss community is 
missing.  I would love to fill this gap.  Hey, but its all about time ;-)

> 
>>  I've been looking through the code of the last
>> release and am finding it hard to follow.  I look at the head of the cvs
>> and I see significant changes and it appears you've started a push to
>> the new Avalon Framework.  My questions all pretty much relate to that
>> push.  How far along is the complete switch?
> 
> 
> The code in cvs uses one of the beta releases of Avalon 4.0 and the
> contemporaneous Phoenix and Cornerstone.
> In other words the switch is conplete. Although we may not be using all
> the features of Avalon.

Yeah, I finally found some stuff on it.  Some of it was right in front 
of my face (like cvs tag names) and other stuff was a little harder to 
come by (barried in the architecture document). 

>>  What version of Avalon was
>> used in the latest release?  Can I get the source to the Avalon that was
>> used in that release (I'm having a real hard time finding it through
>> conventional CVS use, Avalon has changed a lot).  What is the current
>> roadmap planned for James?  Should I begin my development with the
>> stable release or should I start by using the <blank>?
> 
> 
> I would strongly encourage you to work from cvs. 
> I've just posted instructions on getting avalon code behind the
> (December) last release.

I downloaded both the head of the cvs and the tag with-Avalon-4.0.02b 
(or something like that).  Which one should I be using?  The tagged one 
seems a little bit more cleaned up than the head.  How do they compare 
on stability?  

> 
>>  Is there any
>> work being done on the readability of your code namely the includes.
>> Let me explain.  In all your files you include entire packages with
>> wildcards.  When coming across a method or Class it is hard to find the
>> javadoc/source to grasp an idea of what is fully going on, because the
>> realms are so large.  I suggest that includes should avoid wildcards and
>> try to include only what is actually used in the particular file.  This
>> will make browsing the source much less painful.
> 
> 
> I agree. As we alter the code we should unglob the imports. I thought
> most of this had been done.

It might be in the new stuff.  Haven't had a chance to look through it 
yet, but it definitely wasn't in the 1.2.1 release.

Mike


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