I'm running James a2 with SMTP Auth turned on, and if you try to send an
email to a _non local address_ when the RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> the
server imediately replies "530 Authentication Required"

However if I send a RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> it doesn't require
authentication; if it did, how would anyone get e-mail?

Clint

-----Original Message-----
From: Randahl Fink Isaksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 1:11 PM
To: 'James Users List'
Subject: RE: Relay prevention


Hi Danny and Noel


Regarding the Spamlart test: I understand that JAMES may not transmit a
mail even though it might seem so to the client. Without having any
thorough insight into the design behind JAMES, I wonder if it would not
be better for JAMES to respond immediately to the client with an
"authorization required" or a similar clear message that indicates that
spamming is not allowed. It is really a question of do we want to inform
the spammers that their spamming failed? One could argue that it should
be made hard for a spammer to figure out whether his spamming attempt
succeeded, however, I think it is a waste of valuable clock cycles to
have them keep on trying. Also, if JAMES was more clear in its client
responses I would feel more certain that none of the on-line lists of
open relays would list a JAMES mail server by mistake.

Again, I am aware that there might be some design reasons to why JAMES
responds the way it does - still, would it not be an advantage if it
worked differently?


Yours
Randahl


-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 19:19
To: James Users List
Subject: RE: Relay prevention

> Moreover the open relay database at www.ordb.org has now blacklisted
my
> JAMES installation

I'll check my test system against ordb.org later.

> testing it with spamlart made it flunk bigtime.
>
http://www.paladincorp.com.au/cgi-bin/spamlart.cgi?DESTINATION=test.rock
it.d
k

It appears that spamlart bases its test upon the response during mail
submission.  As noted in the James FAQ, James (and it is not alone in
this
regard) performs mail filtering after the message is received.
Spamlarts
tests could form the basis for a Spam filter similar to that present in
NESSpamCheck, but those rules would be processed during the delivery
process, not the SMTPhandler.

        --- Noel


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