You wouldn't say denki o tsuku, only denki o tsukeru. Tsuku cannot have an object, because it means to come on (as in lights, computer, TV, etc), whereas tsukeru means to turn on. I guess that intransitive verb is the proper terminology, not state of being. Tsuku is intransitive, tsukeru is transitive (I think - I could have that backwards). Anyway, in one case the action happens to an object, and the other case the action happens to itself (the subject). Hairu and ireru are good examples. Ireru, a subject puts in an object. Hairu, the subject is in (something), but (something) would be the object of the preposition, not the object of the verb. The verb can't have an object. It's a little confusing.
-----Original Message----- From: herry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:33:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [Japanese_Language] Re: transitive and intransitive verbs (donataka setsumei shite kudasai) > Although denki can mean electricity, it looks like you are referring to lights, > which is also denki. it would be helpful if kanji was being used here. > First maybe we should address the difference between tsuku and tsukeru. > denki ga tsuku means a light comes on. > denki o tsukeru means to turn on a light. Then what does denki o tsuku mean ? > But for a state of being verb, such as tsuku, it indicates the current state: > tsuite imasen - not on > haite imasu - in (within) How does one recognize a 'state of being' verb v.s. a regular verb? > I've only heard the -te arimasu form a little, so I'm not sure that I can explain it > well, but I think it means in the state of having been done. So denki ga tsukete > arimasu would indicate the lights have been turned on, I think. But -te arimasu is > not used much. Thanks, I'll look and see if I can find some examples. :) Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
