I think his point was that "IRERU" is the transitive form of "HAIRU" (to enter),.
kaze ga hairu the wind gets in kuki o ireru I let the air in. On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:56:46 -0000, ai3131 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you mean that "IRERU" means "to insert" and "HAIRU" means "to > enter"? > > - Arian I. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "RICHARD W WILCOX" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You wouldn't say denki o tsuku, only denki o tsukeru. Tsuku cannot > have an object, because it means to come on (as in lights, computer, > TV, etc), whereas tsukeru means to turn on. I guess that > intransitive verb is the proper terminology, not state of being. > Tsuku is intransitive, tsukeru is transitive (I think - I could have > that backwards). Anyway, in one case the action happens to an > object, and the other case the action happens to itself (the > subject). Hairu and ireru are good examples. Ireru, a subject puts > in an object. Hairu, the subject is in (something), but (something) > would be the object of the preposition, not the object of the verb. > The verb can't have an object. It's a little confusing. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/9rHolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Japanese_Language/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
