I think it's a lot simpler to just say "look how RDBMS does it - you insert and can immediately select what you just added without incurring any kind of extra cost" and that's it. Seems plenty clear and less confusing, I think.
Otis -- Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jason Rutherglen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:23:08 AM > Subject: Re: Ocean and GData > > I thought it would be best to point to something out there. However > it is true that the comparison is apples to oranges. Are you > suggesting removing the references to GData and GBase? I don't mind, > I thought it would help to show people that realtime is in widespread > usage somewhere. > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Otis Gospodnetic > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Maybe it's just terminology, but to me GData is like RMI - something that > facilitates transport. If Google had a system that's not real-time (i.e. you > add something and you can't get it to show up in search results immediately) > they could still be using GData with that system for indexing, querying, etc. > > > > To me brining GData and GBase in the picture confuses things. You could > > also > compare the real-time Lucene/Solr search goal to "like any normal RDBMS - you > INSERT X and you can SELECT X immediately". Maybe the desire to compare with > G* > is because it's Google's and is known for search? > > > > > > Otis -- > > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > >> From: Jason Rutherglen > >> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org > >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03:50 AM > >> Subject: Re: Ocean and GData > >> > >> Hello Otis, > >> > >> GData and GBase to me sounds like they are short for Google Database. > >> The goal with Ocean is to provide a Lucene based search database that > >> provides out of the box functionality like the Google Data/Base > >> offers. Unlike MapReduce, there are no infrastructure whitepapers on > >> how GData/Base works so I had to make a broad comparison rather than a > >> specific one. Realtime seems like a feature a search database should > >> have to qualify as such and so GData is mentioned as the only known > >> realtime solution (other than Twitter's Summize with I found out about > >> later). The service Google provides through the GData protocol seems > >> to also be referred to as GData, but could simply be called the > >> "infrastructure supporting Google's realtime search web services". > >> > >> Jason > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Otis Gospodnetic > >> wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Here is one thing that's been confusing me. > >> http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/OceanRealtimeSearch?highlight=(GData) > often > >> mentions GData and relates it to real-time search (to Ocean), as if it is > GData > >> that provides real-time search functionality. But isn't GData simply a > >> communication protocol (Atom with some custom additions by Google)? If > >> so, > are > >> statements like "Ocean addresses this by providing the same functionality > >> as > >> GData open sourced for use in any project" really correct? If GData is > >> just > a > >> communication protocol, and Ocean is really primarily the search engine > >> that > is > >> capable of real-time search, then is it really correct to compare Ocean > >> with > >> GData? My feeling is that the thinking is: > >> > "When I access Google's databases using GData I can see my changes to > >> > those > >> databases immediately". > >> > But that doesn't make GData this real-time thing, but rather the > >> > backend, > no? > >> > > >> > > >> > Please enlighten me if I'm misunderstanding what GData is. Thanks, > >> > > >> > Otis > >> > -- > >> > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
