The wiki has been updated to reflect the addition of the RDMBS comparison, the removal of references to GData.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Otis Gospodnetic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's a lot simpler to just say "look how RDBMS does it - you insert > and can immediately select what you just added without incurring any kind of > extra cost" and that's it. Seems plenty clear and less confusing, I think. > > Otis > -- > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Jason Rutherglen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:23:08 AM >> Subject: Re: Ocean and GData >> >> I thought it would be best to point to something out there. However >> it is true that the comparison is apples to oranges. Are you >> suggesting removing the references to GData and GBase? I don't mind, >> I thought it would help to show people that realtime is in widespread >> usage somewhere. >> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Otis Gospodnetic >> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Maybe it's just terminology, but to me GData is like RMI - something that >> facilitates transport. If Google had a system that's not real-time (i.e. you >> add something and you can't get it to show up in search results immediately) >> they could still be using GData with that system for indexing, querying, etc. >> > >> > To me brining GData and GBase in the picture confuses things. You could >> > also >> compare the real-time Lucene/Solr search goal to "like any normal RDBMS - you >> INSERT X and you can SELECT X immediately". Maybe the desire to compare >> with G* >> is because it's Google's and is known for search? >> > >> > >> > Otis -- >> > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ---- >> >> From: Jason Rutherglen >> >> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03:50 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Ocean and GData >> >> >> >> Hello Otis, >> >> >> >> GData and GBase to me sounds like they are short for Google Database. >> >> The goal with Ocean is to provide a Lucene based search database that >> >> provides out of the box functionality like the Google Data/Base >> >> offers. Unlike MapReduce, there are no infrastructure whitepapers on >> >> how GData/Base works so I had to make a broad comparison rather than a >> >> specific one. Realtime seems like a feature a search database should >> >> have to qualify as such and so GData is mentioned as the only known >> >> realtime solution (other than Twitter's Summize with I found out about >> >> later). The service Google provides through the GData protocol seems >> >> to also be referred to as GData, but could simply be called the >> >> "infrastructure supporting Google's realtime search web services". >> >> >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Otis Gospodnetic >> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> >> > >> >> > Here is one thing that's been confusing me. >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/OceanRealtimeSearch?highlight=(GData) >> often >> >> mentions GData and relates it to real-time search (to Ocean), as if it is >> GData >> >> that provides real-time search functionality. But isn't GData simply a >> >> communication protocol (Atom with some custom additions by Google)? If >> >> so, >> are >> >> statements like "Ocean addresses this by providing the same functionality >> >> as >> >> GData open sourced for use in any project" really correct? If GData is >> >> just >> a >> >> communication protocol, and Ocean is really primarily the search engine >> >> that >> is >> >> capable of real-time search, then is it really correct to compare Ocean >> >> with >> >> GData? My feeling is that the thinking is: >> >> > "When I access Google's databases using GData I can see my changes to >> >> > those >> >> databases immediately". >> >> > But that doesn't make GData this real-time thing, but rather the >> >> > backend, >> no? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Please enlighten me if I'm misunderstanding what GData is. 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