Hi Blaise and all,

blaise toad wrote:
> 
> There are in my mind 3 advantages for SUN to do so:
> 
> 1- change perception that java is proprietary

Agreed.

> 2- not pay for all of javasoft and get quality software

Major issue imho. Sun/JavaSoft really has a _big_ problem. They're
trying to develop both a (1) freely available standards (most of them
with a reference implementation) and (2) software that is supposed to
bring in money, all at the same time. Things like the Servlet API,
Glasgow, Enterprise JavaBeans, Swing, etc., doesn't directly bring in
any money. But it does cost a lot of manpower (== $) and time (== more
$). So what you can see is that JavaSoft is doing about 70 (if not more)
projects at the same time. Result is that project team 43 does not know
what project team 56 is doing, duplicating efforts (compare Java Media
Framework and JavaBeans Activation Framework, check out the DataSource
classes in both packages) and degrading cohesion between the different
API's.

Some of my ideas. Please gimme some feedback on this one:

What is the goal of JavaSoft? Making money, ofcourse. But it _would_
profit from a standard Java Platform. And as far I can see, they're
currently not really getting closer to a standard platform, including
more and more API's in the core. Have you seen JDK 1.2? It's huuuuge!!!
Try to run that on a network computer!

What Oracle believes, and what Marima believes, and what I personally
believe is that there should be one standard and lightweight Java
platform, containing only a set of core Java packages (no AWT, no Swing,
no CORBA, no RMI), having well-defined behaviour, suited for realtime
and multithreading/multitasking applications. Things like AWT/Swing and
the Colelctions API should be provided as extensions to the core. The
definition of the 'Core Java Platform' should be the minimum set of
requirements needed to run a standard Java program that makes no use of
anything but the processor. Maybe this will make Hewlett-Packard and
friends come back too. Hmmm, don't think so.

'nough said.

Ernst

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