Gozado.
Eu vejo todo mundo meter o pau na MS, dizendo que é isso que é aquilo; é uma
merd...; é uma bost...
Agora, não esqueçam que foi graças a Bill Gates que a microinformática
cresceu e é o que é hoje; ou vcs se esqueceram que a própria IBM torceu o
nariz, e deu o DOS e o PC, respectivamente para Microsoft e Intel??
A Microsoft tem problemas, sim, mas, ninguém pode negar que foi graças a ela
que puderam surgir sistemas como LInux e o próprio Java. Sim, por que até o
"ódio" contra ela gera produtos ( os respectivos ditos ).
Então colegas, se a MS vai lançar algo como o Java, que seja bem vindo, pois
é mais uma forma de podermos ter melhorias e avanços tecnológicos. Quem sabe
com isso o Java, assim como outra linguagem, possa melhorar ainda mais?
Abs.
Marcelo Sanches
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Souza - Sun do Brasil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Simone Freire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SouJava"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Javanes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Será que vinga ou será uma
vingança ????
Considerando que na especificacao fala:
C# addresses these problems by:
Including native support for the Component Object Model (COM)
and Windows®-based APIs.
Isso nos mostra que vai rodar em qualquer plataforma, basta
ser Windows... :o) Outra mostra do "compromisso" com outras
plataformas eh que os dois arquivos de documentacao disponiveis
sao .exe, e portanto, nao posso usar o meu Linux para
abri-los e comentar um pouco mais...
A partir do que foi divulgado por eles, isso eh uma mistureba
de C, C++, Java e VB. Bem, essa eh a 9 tentativa da Microsoft
de minar o movimento Java e Internet, e mais uma vez eles
comecaram mal... Tudo bem, eles nunca entenderam essa tal de
Internet mesmo, nao vai ser agora que vao dar uma dentro...
Abracos,
Bruno.
>Essa Microsoft vai ter que correr muito pra tomar o
>espaco da linguagem Java. Principalmente se continuar
>oferecendo solucoes proprietarias e se esse tal de
>de C# nao for multiplataforma.
>Andre.
>
>--- Javanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> MS-C# X Sun-Java
>> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000622S0013
>> Microsoft's Web Language
>>
>> Due Next Week
>> (06/22/00, 7:21 p.m. ET) By Elizabeth
>> Montalbano, CRN
>>
>> Microsoft on Monday will unveil a
>> programming language aimed at
>> improving
>> productivity for the development of
>> Web
>> applications.
>>
>> Initial reports indicate the new
>> language, a
>> hybrid of C and C++ called C#
>> (pronounced cee-sharp), behaves much
>> like Java, Sun Microsystems'
>> technology
>> for cross-platform development. But
>> Microsoft (stock: MSFT) executives
>> insist
>> C# does nothing of the kind.
>>
>> "It's very different from Java," said
>> David
>> Lazar, a product manager at Microsoft,
>> Redmond, Wash. "Java is trying to
>> solve a
>> different problem. [It] has
>> applications
>> running in different places. What
>> customers really want is to get all of
>> their
>> applications running in one place, and
>> this
>> is what C# [enables them to do]."
>>
>> Tony Goodhew, Visual C++ Microsoft
>> product manager, concurs that C# is in
>> no
>> way a response to Java. It is designed
>> to
>> give developers a faster and better
>> way to
>> build Web applications in the
>> tradition of
>> C and C++ programming languages, he
>> said.
>>
>> "C# is designed to provide
>> [developers]
>> with a highly productive way of
>> building
>> applications and components for the
>> Web
>> services world," Goodhew said. "C and
>> C++ developers tell us they want more
>> productivity, but they want to stay
>> close to
>> that heritage and have more power and
>> control. C# gives you better
>> productivity,
>> but allows you to leverage the full
>> power
>> of the [Internet] platform."
>>
>> Goodhew would not comment on whether
>> C#, like Java, is a cross-platform
>> language. This is an important point
>> to
>> consider, however, in the development
>> of
>> Web applications, said Scott Hebner,
>> director of e-business technology
>> marketing at IBM's software group,
>> Armonk, N.Y.
>>
>> Hebner said that if Microsoft wants to
>> push C# as a viable new Web
>> application
>> development technology, the language
>> must be able to develop applications
>> that
>> can operate outside of Microsoft's
>> Windows.
>>
>> "The value of the Internet is that
>> it's based
>> on open standards -- it's
>> vendor-neutral,"
>> Hebner said. "If the result of the
>> [C#]
>> technology is that it locks you into a
>> particular operating system
>> environment
>> or becomes a control point of a
>> vendor,
>> that's not consistent with that value.
>> In
>> order for Microsoft to be keeping in
>> line
>> with current development, C# must be
>> able to create applications for
>> platforms
>> outside just a Windows operating
>> environment."
>>
>> Despite the assertions of Microsoft
>> executives, if C# is indeed a
>> programming
>> language that can create business
>> logic for
>> Web applications, it in essence is
>> doing
>> what Java does, Hebner said.
>>
>> "The question becomes then: Why aren't
>> you moving your developers to Java?"
>> Hebner said. "In the final analysis,
>> they've
>> created another alternative language
>> when
>> they should've gone to the de facto
>> standard [for deploying Web
>> applications], which is Java."
>>
>> Microsoft's use of Java is currently
>> limited by a lawsuit with Sun (stock:
>> SUNW) over Java licensing. In 1997,
>> Sun
>> sued Microsoft for allegedly breaching
>> its
>> Java licensing agreement by
>> "polluting"
>> Java to create programs that run only
>> on
>> Windows when Java was created to be
>> compatible with all operating systems.
>>
>>
>> Sun will not comment on C# until it
>> actually knows what the new technology
>> is, a company spokesman said.
>>
>> "At this time, there's nothing for us
>> to look
>> at, there's no specification," he
>> said.
>>
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