Prezado Senhor Marcelo Sanches:
Em relação ao seu comentário quero dizer que o Unix, sistema operacional
do qual se "criou" o Linux, já existia muito antes do Windows, então, antes
de fazer afirmações absurdas, um pouco de estudo se torna necessário.
João Batista Ribas de Moura
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Marcelo Sanches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Para: SouJava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 26 de junho de 2000 16:30
Assunto: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Será que vinga ou será uma
vingança ????
> Gozado.
>
> Eu vejo todo mundo meter o pau na MS, dizendo que é isso que é aquilo; é
uma
> merd...; é uma bost...
>
> Agora, não esqueçam que foi graças a Bill Gates que a microinformática
> cresceu e é o que é hoje; ou vcs se esqueceram que a própria IBM torceu o
> nariz, e deu o DOS e o PC, respectivamente para Microsoft e Intel??
>
> A Microsoft tem problemas, sim, mas, ninguém pode negar que foi graças a
ela
> que puderam surgir sistemas como LInux e o próprio Java. Sim, por que até
o
> "ódio" contra ela gera produtos ( os respectivos ditos ).
>
> Então colegas, se a MS vai lançar algo como o Java, que seja bem vindo,
pois
> é mais uma forma de podermos ter melhorias e avanços tecnológicos. Quem
sabe
> com isso o Java, assim como outra linguagem, possa melhorar ainda mais?
>
>
>
> Abs.
>
> Marcelo Sanches
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruno Souza - Sun do Brasil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Simone Freire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SouJava"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Javanes"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 2:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SouJava-J] MS-C# X Sun-Java Será que vinga ou será uma
> vingança ????
>
>
>
> Considerando que na especificacao fala:
>
> C# addresses these problems by:
> Including native support for the Component Object Model (COM)
> and Windows®-based APIs.
>
> Isso nos mostra que vai rodar em qualquer plataforma, basta
> ser Windows... :o) Outra mostra do "compromisso" com outras
> plataformas eh que os dois arquivos de documentacao disponiveis
> sao .exe, e portanto, nao posso usar o meu Linux para
> abri-los e comentar um pouco mais...
>
> A partir do que foi divulgado por eles, isso eh uma mistureba
> de C, C++, Java e VB. Bem, essa eh a 9 tentativa da Microsoft
> de minar o movimento Java e Internet, e mais uma vez eles
> comecaram mal... Tudo bem, eles nunca entenderam essa tal de
> Internet mesmo, nao vai ser agora que vao dar uma dentro...
>
> Abracos,
>
> Bruno.
>
> >Essa Microsoft vai ter que correr muito pra tomar o
> >espaco da linguagem Java. Principalmente se continuar
> >oferecendo solucoes proprietarias e se esse tal de
> >de C# nao for multiplataforma.
> >Andre.
> >
> >--- Javanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> MS-C# X Sun-Java
> >> http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000622S0013
> >> Microsoft's Web Language
> >>
> >> Due Next Week
> >> (06/22/00, 7:21 p.m. ET) By Elizabeth
> >> Montalbano, CRN
> >>
> >> Microsoft on Monday will unveil a
> >> programming language aimed at
> >> improving
> >> productivity for the development of
> >> Web
> >> applications.
> >>
> >> Initial reports indicate the new
> >> language, a
> >> hybrid of C and C++ called C#
> >> (pronounced cee-sharp), behaves much
> >> like Java, Sun Microsystems'
> >> technology
> >> for cross-platform development. But
> >> Microsoft (stock: MSFT) executives
> >> insist
> >> C# does nothing of the kind.
> >>
> >> "It's very different from Java," said
> >> David
> >> Lazar, a product manager at Microsoft,
> >> Redmond, Wash. "Java is trying to
> >> solve a
> >> different problem. [It] has
> >> applications
> >> running in different places. What
> >> customers really want is to get all of
> >> their
> >> applications running in one place, and
> >> this
> >> is what C# [enables them to do]."
> >>
> >> Tony Goodhew, Visual C++ Microsoft
> >> product manager, concurs that C# is in
> >> no
> >> way a response to Java. It is designed
> >> to
> >> give developers a faster and better
> >> way to
> >> build Web applications in the
> >> tradition of
> >> C and C++ programming languages, he
> >> said.
> >>
> >> "C# is designed to provide
> >> [developers]
> >> with a highly productive way of
> >> building
> >> applications and components for the
> >> Web
> >> services world," Goodhew said. "C and
> >> C++ developers tell us they want more
> >> productivity, but they want to stay
> >> close to
> >> that heritage and have more power and
> >> control. C# gives you better
> >> productivity,
> >> but allows you to leverage the full
> >> power
> >> of the [Internet] platform."
> >>
> >> Goodhew would not comment on whether
> >> C#, like Java, is a cross-platform
> >> language. This is an important point
> >> to
> >> consider, however, in the development
> >> of
> >> Web applications, said Scott Hebner,
> >> director of e-business technology
> >> marketing at IBM's software group,
> >> Armonk, N.Y.
> >>
> >> Hebner said that if Microsoft wants to
> >> push C# as a viable new Web
> >> application
> >> development technology, the language
> >> must be able to develop applications
> >> that
> >> can operate outside of Microsoft's
> >> Windows.
> >>
> >> "The value of the Internet is that
> >> it's based
> >> on open standards -- it's
> >> vendor-neutral,"
> >> Hebner said. "If the result of the
> >> [C#]
> >> technology is that it locks you into a
> >> particular operating system
> >> environment
> >> or becomes a control point of a
> >> vendor,
> >> that's not consistent with that value.
> >> In
> >> order for Microsoft to be keeping in
> >> line
> >> with current development, C# must be
> >> able to create applications for
> >> platforms
> >> outside just a Windows operating
> >> environment."
> >>
> >> Despite the assertions of Microsoft
> >> executives, if C# is indeed a
> >> programming
> >> language that can create business
> >> logic for
> >> Web applications, it in essence is
> >> doing
> >> what Java does, Hebner said.
> >>
> >> "The question becomes then: Why aren't
> >> you moving your developers to Java?"
> >> Hebner said. "In the final analysis,
> >> they've
> >> created another alternative language
> >> when
> >> they should've gone to the de facto
> >> standard [for deploying Web
> >> applications], which is Java."
> >>
> >> Microsoft's use of Java is currently
> >> limited by a lawsuit with Sun (stock:
> >> SUNW) over Java licensing. In 1997,
> >> Sun
> >> sued Microsoft for allegedly breaching
> >> its
> >> Java licensing agreement by
> >> "polluting"
> >> Java to create programs that run only
> >> on
> >> Windows when Java was created to be
> >> compatible with all operating systems.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sun will not comment on C# until it
> >> actually knows what the new technology
> >> is, a company spokesman said.
> >>
> >> "At this time, there's nothing for us
> >> to look
> >> at, there's no specification," he
> >> said.
> >>
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