I have looked at visual Age, J++, Java workshop & Cafe and have found that
they all have their quirks. I have generally found that it is easier and
quicker to just use a text editor and a dos window.

I use Emacs for 95/NT with the JDE extension. Emacs is by far the best
editor in existence and the JDE makes compilation, running and debugging a
breeze. Best of all.....it is free.

What you don't have however is a visual builder, but I have found that the
builders with the commercial products (although comprehensive) generate
quite unpleasant code.
I did find an _interesting_ applet on the web that assisted in creating
panels using a GridBagLayout and generates some of the cleanest code I have
seen. Here is a link.
http://www.absurd.org/jb/gbm/

It generates clean code because it is specific to a GridBagLayout instead of
the generic tools that come with all the IDE's. Perhaps if someone wrote an
IDE that used plugin's(beans perhaps) for each of the layout managers we
might have something useful.

my 2c worth

Gj

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason
> Stratton
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 January 1999 6:21
> To: Price, Eric; 'Stephane Cloutier'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [java3d] wfc & j3d
>
>
> I was hoping to hear an answer to this as well.
>
> My reasons are purely economic. I have access to an old version of Cafe
> which does not support Java 2 and I do not have the cash on hand to
> upgrade. I do have access to the most current version of J++ here at
> work. So, if I could use Java 2.0 and Java3D with J++, I could use it
> until I purchased a new version of Cafe.
>
> While we're on the topic, I would like to hear what people prefer for
> development on Windows. Cafe looks good. I've heard good things about
> JBuilder. And VisualAge looks exciting. But I do not have much practical
> experience with any of them. I'd like to hear what good/bad about each
> and how well they work with the media API's, specifically Java3D.
>
> Thanks.
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Price, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 2:22 PM
> To: 'Stephane Cloutier'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [java3d] wfc & j3d
>
>
> Why would you want to mix Java and Microsoft? Isn't that a little (or a
> lot)
> like mixing hens and coyotes?
>
> Hint: Symantec Cafe looks and feels just like J++, but uses real Java,
> not a
> polluted Java fake.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephane Cloutier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:15 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [java3d] wfc & j3d
>
>
>
>       Hi!  Does anybody succeeded in using j3d with wfc and J++?  Is
> it
> possible?  J++ doesn't seem to support jdk1.2's features so the two
> doesn't
> sounds really compatible for me but I can easily be wrong, am I?
>
>       Thank you,
>       Stephane
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