Does anyone know if it is possible to write an <object> tag conforming to
the HTML 4 stamdard that IE will recognize?
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/objects.html#h-13.3
I am going off of that and I can't manage it. My best guess as to what a
standards conformant tag would look like would be:
<object
classid="java:com.xith.java3d.testbed.OverlayTester.class"
codetype="application/java-archive"
archive="Overlays.jar"
width="700" height="550">
<p>This text is only visible if your browser does not support the
<object> tag.</p>
</object>
Anyone know if that is correct? The one for IE has meanings for the
attributes that somebody just made up I think:
<object
classid="clsid:8AD9C840-044E-11D1-B3E9-00805F499D93"
codebase="http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/1.2/jinstall-12-win32.cab#Version=1,2,0,0";
width="700" height="550">
<param name="code" value="com.xith.java3d.testbed.OverlayTester" />
<param name="archive" value="Overlays.jar" />
<param name="type" value="application/x-java-applet" />
</object>
(I am using xhtml, that's the reson for the /> at the end of <param>s.)
What is a pain is that the html 4 standard says:
13.3.1 Rules for rendering objects
A user agent must interpret an OBJECT element according to the following
precedence rules:
1. The user agent must first try to render the object. It should not
render the element's contents, but it must examine them in case the
element contains any direct children that are PARAM elements (see
object initialization) or MAP elements (see client-side image maps).
2. If the user agent is not able to render the object for whatever
reason (configured not to, lack of resources, wrong architecture,
etc.), it must try to render its contents.
So, since IE doesn't respect the correct <object> tag, I nested the IE
interpretation inside the correct one. IE should then figure it can't
render the first and so try and render the second. It doesn't though, it
tries to render them both and just leaves the one at the top empty but
still partitions off the size for it.
Honestly I am just getting tired of writing convoluted HTML because the
makers of user agents can't follow some simple rules. I think I am just
going to leave the page like it is and tell people that if it doesn't look
right to go get a browser that works correctly. I bet the thing that will
most drive M$oft to change their products are market factors. If I as a
content creator make quality standards compliant content that people
cannot see because their browser doesn't support the standards then it
might be a part of the market factor driving changes.
Sorry, I just get riled when my webbrowser can render my PowerPoint
presentation correctly but not my webpages. =)
On the question of the correct tag to use, both IE and Mozilla seem to
respect the IE tag even though it is not standards conformant. The plugin
generates the IE tag and then places an <embed> tag inside the <object>.
It places it in <comment> tags but that should not be strictly necessary,
even for IE.
I personally am going to go with the HTML 4 tag and tell people where they
can get a descent browser on the page. =) All the jars will run from the
command line anyhow, so I am only inconvenincing people slightly.
Will
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