Excuse me, is there any chance this user could stop sending mails of this type (or be banned or something?).
I have to say I don't really care whether he/she is right or wrong, or whats happening with the VRML "war", I just don't appreciate huge mails downloading when I'm trying to read what is otherwise an extremely useful list. Thats not to say I don't appreciate the useful actual response part of the mail at the top.
Yes, I could filter it, but it'd be much easier to promote responding to mail directly and not adding lots of pointless bumf on the bottom. Is this mailing list moderated?
Cheers,
Kev
P. Flavin wrote:
Multiple 3d Formats can be animated in a browser, -----------------------------------
including __ AutoCAD (DXF) __ and 3d Studio Max BiPeds ------------------------------
by first converting to VRML, then rendering them with Java3d or Java 1.1 engines, using Shout3d or Blaxxun3d for the highest portability or with Java3d and the Sun VRML Loaders, just like the Rocket Science Professionals at Nasa do, as you can see here, and here ...
AutoCAD -( DXF )-> -( VRML )-> 3D in a web page ------------------------------------------------ http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_autocad_DXF_VRML_java3d.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html#DXF_converted_to_VRML_for_Java3d
Full immersion 3d Cave Environments can be created with Java3d using AutoCAD DXF exports or other model formats after file conversion, inexpensively on Linux and Solaris Systems.
Joseph Ross wrote to Java3d-interest list:
DXF ( AutoCAD ) file: Render it with Java3d via VRML ------------------------------------------------------ | Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 | From: JOSEPH ROSS JEYNES | Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth | | Subject: Java3D loading | | hi there. | | im tying to develop a virtual environment | for my major project in 3rd year uni. | | i need to load geometry information from a .dxf | file into a scene. | | it works for .obj wavefront file, | but i ___ desperately ___ need the code | for loading dxf file. | | i need this so that my application can | load objects of different formats. | | if anyone knows the code for using the dxf | loader, ... i'll be very gratefull. | | sincerely Joe. | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0303&L=java3d-interest&P=26492
Display your AutoCAD DXF file in Java3d using --------------------------------------- the Sun VRML Loaders after converting your AutoCAD DXF file into VRML using one of the programs described ( and linked to ) below.
This VRML file was created by converting an AutoCAD DXF file and rendered today on my computer with the Sun VRML Loaders to create this image as you can see here:
http://www.cadstudio.cz/dl/xoom/gc/sextant.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_autocad_DXF_VRML_java3d.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html
| I have converted the following __ DXF __ building model ... | | You may also view VRML model of Johnson's house with | your web browser. | | Please note that because of a conversion problem, | this VRML model did not show all details that were | able to see in the CAVE. | | View | johnson12.wrl | http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class99/wanamakok/johnson12.wrl
http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class99/wanamakok/johnson.mpg
| | Get VRML 2.0 Plug-in | | [ Note: this may require a 2 step converion: DXF --> .iv --> VRML ] | http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class99/wanamakok/DXFexamples.htm
| Computer models in DXF (Drawing Interchange File) format | (may not be created by AutoCAD) can be converted into | Open Inventor (tm) format, (.iv), | | [ Diagram: Conversion DXF --> .iv --> VRML ] | | http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class99/wanamakok/images/DXFCon1.jpg
http://www.sv.vt.edu/classes/ESM4714/Student_Proj/class99/wanamakok/DXFConvers.htm
| Examples of VRML models from AutoCAD | ------------------------------------ | | SEXTANT model | | (requires a browser with installed plugin for .wrl viewing) | | * Sheetmetal 3D-model from Mechanical Desktop (117kB) | * Kitchen 3D-model from AutoCAD (303kB) | * VRML2: Sextant 3D-model from AutoCAD (260kB) | * VRML2 (compressed): Truck 3D-model from AutoCAD (57kB) - NEW | | Other models can be found on our users' webpages, e.g.: | | * SwiftMAPPS | * NASA | http://www.cadstudio.cz/dl/xoom/gc/test.wrl http://www.cadstudio.cz/dl/xoom/gc/kitchen.wrl http://www.cadstudio.cz/dl/xoom/gc/sextant.wrl http://www.cadstudio.cz/dl/xoom/gc/truck%20model.wrl http://www.cadstudio.cz/img/vrml1.jpg | http://www.cadstudio.cz/vrmlout.htm http://www.cadstudio.cz/default.asp?page=/vrmlout.htm
Web3d.org: 3d File Format Translators -------------------------------------- | | Crossroads 3D is a new Windows freeware application | that can translate between several 3D file formats. | | Formats Supported: | | o 3D Studio (3DS) | o 3DMF ASCII (T3D) | o 3DMF Binary (B3D) | | o AutoCAD ( DXF ) ... [ <--- reads DXF format ] | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | o Lightwave ... | o POVRay V2.2 | o POVRay V3.0 | o RAW Triangle | o TrueSpace | | o VRML (V1.0) | o VRML (V2.0) [ ( .wrl ) ] [ <--- writes VRML format ] | | o Wavefront (obj) | o WorldToolkit (nff) | | | "VRMLout" for AutoCAD ( CAD Studio ) | -------------------------------------- | | VRML 97 - AutoCad | | VRMLout is an ARX application for AutoCAD Rel.13 | and Rel.14 which exports AutoCAD 3D entities to VRML | format. It is compatible with Autodesk Internet | Publishing Kit (and R14 IPK). | | http://www.web3d.org/vrml/vft.htm
| Crossroads 3D is a new Windows freeware application | that can translate between several 3D file formats. | http://home.europa.com/%7Ekeithr/Crossroads/index.html | | Supported ... Formats | --------------------- | | | Format Read Write | | | | 3D Studio (3DS) Yes Yes ... | AutoCAD (DXF) Yes Yes ... | RAW Triangle Yes Yes ... | VRML (V1.0) Yes Yes | VRML (V2.0)[.wrl] No Yes | Wavefront (obj) Yes Yes | WorldToolkit (nff) Yes Yes | http://home.europa.com/%7Ekeithr/Crossroads/index.html
"Worlds Best" Fully Immersive Cave uses Java3d ---------------------------------------------- | the U of C is launching the Sun Center of | Excellence for Visual Genomics a bioinformatics | facility that puts Calgary scientists | at least __ two years ahead of the pack __ | in research capabilities. ... | | A pivotal feature of the new centre is a | __ fully immersive __ (walk in) display environment, | with four projection walls. | | This Java 3D technology-enabled CAVE | a first in the world will immerse scientists | in three-dimensional models of biological | systems, including cells, tissues and entire organisms. | ... | These computer models allow scientists to | step into a virtual, 3D human body, | says Sensen. This allows us a much more | intricate understanding of human diseases | and complex biological systems, thereby | accelerating the pace of life-saving research | and reducing the development time for new drugs. | | Total investment into the Sun Center of Excellence | for Visual Genomics to date is more than $6 million. | Funding partners include Sun Microsystems, Fakespace Inc.... | | http://www.fp.ucalgary.ca/unicomm/news/Feb_02/genomics.htm | | [ posted to Sun's Java3d-interest archives, March, 2002 ] | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0203&L=java3d-interest&P=R1293
The Sun VRML Loaders can and have been used to animated Web3d.org's VRML based H-Anim Avatars in a web browser with Java3d on Linux and Windows.
False and Fraudulent lies from Justin Couch and Allan Hudson from Yumetech.com and Aaron Walsh in his false and fraudulent Prentice Hall "Core Web3d" books perversely claim that because they tried and failed to create programs with the Sun VRML Loaders to animate the H-Anim Avatars, that their failures are __ PROOF __ noone can succeed where they failed, or you must be on Crack Cocaine if you're crazy enough to say you have succeeded where the Amazing Australian Failed.
Maya, 3d Studio Max, and AutoCad Exports can be animated with Java3d
( Maya + Inverse Kinematics ) --- VRML --> Web Animation with Java3d --------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Yes, VRML from Maya, Spazz3d, and 3d Studio Max | --- can be animated with _____ Java3d ___ | | Easily, and it works in a web browser. | | Tutorial, VRML files, Animation created with Java3d & more info: ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/Community/Learn/how_tos/games/2_bone_ik/ http://www.aliaswavefront.com/en/Community/Learn/how_tos/games/2_bone_ik/includes/arm_anim.wrl
http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/vrml_loaders_working.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/ani_ArmFlex_MayaJava3d.gif | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0303&L=java3d-interest&P=R6866
3d Studio Max models animated with Java3d: VRML vs .3ds -------------------------------------------------------- | | 3d Web animation is easy with Java & you can use | 3d Studio Max models exported as VRML & loaded with the | Sun VRML Loaders and animated with Java3d or Java 1.1. | | Studio Max 3d "BiPed" Animated with Java3d, Java 1.1 | ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/shout3d/models/StudioMax_Biped.wrl http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/H-Anim_Avatars.html | ... | | Web3d.org, Navy PGS, NIST, & NSF VRML models can be animated with |Java3d & the Sun VRML Loaders ( some files run without modification, | some were modified ): | | HelloWorld ( Earth ), Nist Ceasar H-Anim Model, Navy NPS Diver, Shark --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_girl_jumping_with_java3d.jpg http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/sc_web3d_org_hello_world.jpg
http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/x3d/translation/examples/HelloWorld.wrl http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/x3d/translation/examples/KelpForestExhibit/Shark2.wrl
http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/x3d/translation/examples/HumanoidAnimation/NancyDiving.wrl
http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/x3d/translation/examples/HumanoidAnimation/AllenDutton.wrl
http://ovrt.nist.gov/projects/wear/caesarsegment/csr0099a/csr0099a.wrl | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0302&L=java3d-interest&P=R10124
Ethics Complaint to Don Brutzman, U.S. Navy PGS ----------------------------------------------- | | To: Don Brutzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | | To: "DR Clark (US Navy, JAG)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | | To: "Rita Colwell (NSF,D)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | To: "Arden Bement ( NIST, Director )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | To: John Fallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | To: "Failed H-Anim attempt #2." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, | To: any ethical person at NSF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | ... | | Lt. Don Brutzman ( US Navy PGS ) | | ~~~ PLEASE ~~~ REPLY ~~~ |---------------- | | Don, is it True or False | | that the Sun VRML Loaders ( that you helped develop ) | | cannot be used to animate | at least some VRML files | that comply with | | ______ the Web3d.org H-Anim Avatar standard ____ | | ______ ( where you are member of the board ) ____ | | without using Crack Cocaine, as Justin Couch has suggested ? | | Are Justin Couch and Alan Hudson of Yumetech working | on a goverment contract from US Navy Post Graduates school, | or the US Navy MOVES Institute and | making false and / or misleading statments | with your knowledge, consent, cooperation and complicity | while working with you at the Web3d.org ... | where you are a Member of the Board ? | | || Web3d ... Current Board of Directors 2002-2003 ... || ---------------------------------------------- || || Don Brutzman - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Associate Professor || || - Naval Postgraduate School, USA ... || || Alan Hudson - [EMAIL PROTECTED], President - Yumetech Inc. || || Sandy Ressler - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Computer Specialist || || - National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA || http://web3d.org/aboutus/bod.htm | | | Someone is writing something that is not true: | | either someone from Sun or Yumetech has posted a false statement. | | Don, some informative comments from you with intelligence & integrity | ---- would be useful here with respect to the VRML Loaders | that you worked on, that were given to to Web3d.org by Sun. | | The professionals at the NSF, NIST, & US Navy PGS | seem to believe that because the Great Australian programmer | tried and failed to animate the Web3d H-Anim Avatars with the | Sun VRML Loaders, that his failure PROVES that no American programmer | could succeed where the Great Australian Failed, | despite physical evidence to the contrary. | | I respectfully submit that is absurd and astoundingly unprofessional. | | Is there anyone with intelligence & integrity at the | | NSF, NIST, US Navy PGS, or Prentice Hall ? | | While Sun has announced they will be laying off employees, | the people of the National Science Foundationn, NIST & US NPGS | have betrayed their profesional responsibilities and | harmed those of us working hard, honestly, and successfully | on animating VRML with Java to attain our goal of reliable, | portable and safe 3d animation on the Web. | htp://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0210&L=java3d-interest&P=R48631
The "Couch - Beitler Flame War": Lies & Fraud
Sun's VRML Loaders Animate VRML in a browser with Java3d -------------------------------------------------------- > > Justin Couch:> Hey, what sort of crack are you on ? > Justin Couch:> > Justin Couch:> That codebase [ the Sun's VRML Loaders ] > Justin Couch:> didn't even support protos let alone H-anim. > Justin Couch:> > Justin Couch:> Scripting support was barely functional and the > Justin Couch:> event model was nowhere near spec compliant. > Justin Couch:> > Justin Couch:> You're bullshitting again. > > Rick Goldberg:> This [ Justin Couch's statement ] is false. Rick Goldberg:> Rick Goldberg:> The code __ did __ support protos Rick Goldberg:> __ before __ you touched it. Rick Goldberg:> Rick Goldberg:> Scripting support was by Rick Goldberg:> the letter of the law, Rick Goldberg:> and highly functional. Rick Goldberg:> Rick Goldberg:> Sounds like you are smoking Rick Goldberg:> some shrubbery of your own. | http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/source/hypermail/2001/0591.html http://www.web3d.org/TaskGroups/source/hypermail/2001/0587.html
cc: Michael Zyda, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Director Zyda, What's the reason for your treason ?
Mr. Brutzman & Mr. Zyda,
You are employed at taxpayer expense at a US Military __ educational __ institution created to educate, to inform, to do research, to help build the US academic institutions and US businesses so our soldiers can be trained and equiped with effective tools to save our soldiers lives in combat and you are helping people lie and commit fraud for what reason ?
|> | |> | Matt Beitler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> | ------------ |> | [ ^-- co-creator of the "Couch - Beilter Flame War" ] | | | Any and all of your flame wars are long over. | | Everybody else has moved on. | http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&selm=41f79d6d.0303062110.14366010%40posting.google.com
False, that's a lie or you have been misinformed.
The Liar and Fraudster Justin Couch continues his lies, unfortunately the "Couch-Beitler Flame War" lives on:
The "Couch - Beitler Flame War" continues in 2003 ------------------------------------------------- | | To Flavin - get a clue dickhead. | | Let's see "Sun's VRML97 Loaders" load XML | encoded X3D content. | | Source code only please - none of | your Photoshop fakes that you've created | for the last couple of years. | | -- Justin Couch | | http://www.vlc.com.au/~justin/ ... | http://www.yumetech.com/ | http://www.j3d.org/ | http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0301&L=java3d-interest&P=R28826
It is a self-serving lie for Justin Couch to discredit as a fabrication without cause or evidence the accomplishments of others where Justin Couch and Aaron Walsh failed.
The "screen catpure" images on my web pages accurately reflect VRML being rendered with Java, Java3d or with the Cosmo VRML plug-in.
Justin Couch's assertions to the contrary are selfserving lies, it is fraudulent, unethical and unlawful conduct of Yumetech for the benefit of Yumetech to the detriment of the Java3d and "Web3d" communities interested in creating 3d animations on the web.
Another lie from the pathetic pathological liar Justin Couch.
cc: Matt Beitler, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matt, please ask Justin Couch to stop the "Couch-Beitler Flame War". Matt, please ask Justin Couch to stop lying.
The "Couch-Beitler Flame War" has harmed the Java3d and Web3d communities.
| Matthew Beitler, staff member, | | Center for Human Modeling and Simulation | University of Pennsylvania | http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~beitler/
Moral Failures & the "Couch - Beitler Flame War" Harm Web3d & Java3d -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.web3d.org/WorkingGroups/h-anim/hypermail/2001/0197.html
US Federal employees at the NIST have betrayed their professional obligations by encouraging the Yumetech Gang to lie, make false and fraudulent claims, and to establish Yumetech an as unthical, unprofessional bunch of vulgar liars and fraudsters.
Nasa & I animate VRML with Java3d with the Sun Loaders ------------------------------------------------------ http://fastscript3d.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery.html http://www.frontiernet.net/~imaging/terrain_rendering.html
-- Paul, Java Developer & Web Animator ----------------------------------------------------- "Imaging the Imagined: Modeling with Math & a Keyboard"
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-- Jose UML - http://www.newdawnsoftware.com/jose Pondering RPG - http://pondering.newdawnsoftware.com
