Okay.. seriously dudes! I've been hearing this request over and over.  
Of all of the things missing from the Java platform (and they are  
many, believe me), why is *tail recursion* the make or break feature  
for the future of the Java platform? Seriously?! Tail Recursion?!  Not  
fixing applets or modularity or starting up 18 times faster, but tail  
recursion!? WTH!

On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Viktor Klang wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]>  
> wrote:
>
> which is indeed sad. :)
>
> In our defense, Sun loves developers because we are developers. This
> has strengths and weaknesses. We are trying to leverage the strengths
> and address the weaknesses. That's one of the reasons we want more
> feedback from you on the Java Store. As developers, what do you want
> out of the system? How can we make your life easier so that you can
> make great apps and ship them to the world?
>
> Reified generics, tailcall instruction, closures...
> Sorry had to take the opportunity!
> :)
>
>
>
> - J
>
> On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Casper Bang wrote:
>
> >
> > You realize of course, to many of us developers, you appear to
> > represent Sun's entire marketing department as well? ;)
> >
> > /Casper
> >
> > On 16 Jun., 19:49, Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Speaking as a fellow Sun lifer, I whole heartedly agree. Sun is a
> >> great place for some people. I've been here for four and a half  
> year
> >> and have worked in 3 different departments. Even as a member of the
> >> JavaFX team I've worked on many different pieces. If you ever get
> >> bored there's always some other cool project you can join (like the
> >> Java Store), and you are surrounded by other great engineers with
> >> good
> >> ideas.  Plus, I get to work remote 100% of the time from Oregon,  
> so I
> >> can't really complain.
> >>
> >> On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:42 AM, Joe Nuxoll (Java Posse) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Tor is a "lifer" at Sun, and he *loves* it.  It is the perfect job
> >>> for
> >>> him, and not a harsh comment at all!
> >>
> >>> - Joe
> >>
> >>> On Jun 12, 7:05 am, Augusto <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> hahaha ... the "incident".
> >>
> >>>> Yeah, we almost lost Tor in Part 4 @ 5:25
> >>
> >>>> BTW, I felt you guys were kind of harsh on Tor ... Joe called  
> him a
> >>>> "lifer" at Sun? Let him have his fun, he does get to work on cool
> >>>> tools :-)
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 12, 8:29 am, bigbenny3 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I've uploaded a five-part series of the JavaPosse BoF at  
> JavaOne,
> >>>>> 2009. The first two parts of the series are, charitably,
> >>>>> unprofessional. The third, fourth and fifth parts are better,  
> with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> fourth containing Tor's infamous 'incident.'
> >>
> >>>>> There were others who were recording video, and I hope they  
> upload
> >>>>> their content, especially the beginning, to add to the links
> >>>>> below.
> >>
> >>>>> Part 1 of 5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkT_4cTtNLY
> >>>>> Part 2 of 5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubfOpRch5zI
> >>>>> Part 3 of 5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6xCyOHH8G4
> >>>>> Part 4 of 5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLXbdJHpxJY
> >>>>> Part 5 of 5    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GH8iiRsiko
> >>
> >>>>> Thanks to the 'Posse for a great time at J1 !!  Thanks to
> >>>>> Atlassian
> >>>>> for the beer!
> >>
> >>>>> Ben Leadholm
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Viktor Klang
> Scala Loudmouth
>
> >


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