Just looked at the latest docs. Still seems like a tough task to render small clipboard-friendly elements.
Alexey ________________________________ From: Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:11:53 PM Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Google - missing the point? With the new plugin Java and JavaFX applets can easily interoperate with the DOM. You can call javascript from java and vice versa. It's quite nice! On Jun 27, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Alexey Zinger wrote: I have to disagree regarding GWT. I've been using it extensively on new and legacy web app projects. I could kinda see using applets in situations, where I knew there was no need to ever interoperate with DOM (and the state the plug-in is in now, still leaves it behind, IMO), but once you are faced with a need to integrate new RIA-like features into an existing app, it's either hand-coding JS or GWT. Don't get me wrong, GWT is far from perfect: when you hit the edge of its capabilities and have to step out into native JS or come up with clever CSS or HTML hacks, the elegance is gone in an instant and you're up against an even uglier battle trying to make these leaky abstractions that don't get along play nice (GWT still doesn't let you control THEAD elements in tables!). But overall, I see it more as a higher level alternative to writing complex DHTML, not a straight replacement for applets or Flash. > > Alexey > > > > > ________________________________ From: Jess Holle <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 11:27:56 AM >Subject: [The Java Posse] Google - missing the point? > >I concur with Dick in one respect here: > >Google seems to be working really hard to use Java to author client software >while avoiding actually using it on the client -- at least with GWT. > >While GWT is really cool for those who want to write Java, not JavaScript, it >is essentially a giant workaround. The real solution is better Java Plug-In >penetration and just using it. Java 6 Update 10 and later are actually rather >good. > >GWT predates Java 6 Update 10 and I can understand that even now Google may >feel the Plug-In is not a feasible alternative (i.e. that they really can't >help drive this into clients despite Chrome, etc). I do sometimes wonder >whether Google even wants Java on the client -- as they have more influence >and traction in the [D]HTML space. In any event, I believe Google could >expend a little of their influence to help Java (and JavaFX) become a real >force on the client -- but they clearly have chosen not to attempt that. > >Then there's Android. I have to really applaud Google here in one respect -- >Java ME is a throwback to ancient Java history and is just begging to be >by-passed. Specifically, there's no support for Java 5 language features in >ME and no plans whatsoever to add these! On the other hand, Google went a lot >further to develop their own set of client libraries rather than using any >existing client libraries -- and thus is creating another splinter UI platform >space like SWT did before it. > >-- >Jess Holle > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
