What I'm saying is that I never found the user experience on the Nokia phone convincing -- independent of the question what the application was programmed in. To some extent the JavaME ones might have been better -- you get the longer startup time, but at least they don't crash your phone by slowing eating all the memory available.
The one application I found impressive was actually the J2ME version of Opera, although that clearly suffered from being J2ME: you had to allow network access every single time you started it. But in terms of usability, features and performance it was way ahead of the native browser Nokia provided. Peter Joshua Marinacci wrote: > So I think you are saying that JavaME has been useful, but fallen > behind the times. It is now far from cutting edge and you wouldn't > target it for new products. I agree. Sun is aware of this and we have > been & are taking steps to address it. The partnerships and new > review system announced at JavaOne are part of it. JavaFX for Mobile > is part of it too. > > Android and iPhone clearly have some good things going for them and > they are growing tremendously. I only jumped in this thread to dispel > the myth that there's no JavaME phones out there. There tons of them. > They may not be exciting but they dwarf everything else by numbers. > But that's changing, and we know it, and we are taking steps to bring > JavaME up to date. > > - Josh > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Peter Becker wrote: > > >> I actually have a few things installed on my E65, although the only >> J2ME >> app I currently use is "5ud0ku" :-) >> >> And to support your point: >> - I would not consider myself an average user >> - my next phone is certainly not going to be Nokia or Symbian-based >> >> I have used a few things on the phone over the years, from web- >> browsing >> (including the J2ME version of Opera), via instant messaging to >> podcast >> listening. The latter was actually a major driver in picking the phone >> (cheapest option for something with WLAN and audio playback), and the >> podcast app by Nokia is actually comparatively good (meaning: I >> wouldn't >> fail a student if they would deliver that, as opposed to most of the >> other things on the phone). And I still use the phone for the podcast >> (not for web or IM anymore). >> >> So I am one of those people who actually used J2ME applications. But I >> would not appreciate anyone targeting my current setup as a market, it >> certainly seems wasteful and I'm just waiting for my current >> contract to >> expire (I believe I have two more months to go). >> >> Peter >> >> >> Casper Bang wrote: >> >>> I give up, seems like everyone equates popularity with potential >>> marked share regardless of how many actually USES their Symbian phone >>> for anything but calls and messages (I have yet to meet one). I think >>> it's naïve to care only for such a marketing metric, but if that's >>> your definition of popularity then so be it. :) >>> >>> /Casper >>> >>> On 1 Jul., 17:51, Joshua Marinacci <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> Pointing out that Google also targets J2SE doesn't prove much, >>>>> given >>>>> that they are also more than willing to make Obj-C clients for the >>>>> iPhone and other non-J2ME devices. Google is just like that, they >>>>> go >>>>> after the marked and tries to win the hart of users regardless of >>>>> underlying technology. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yes, that is exactly my point. Google is pragmatic. JavaME may >>>> not be >>>> hot or exciting, but it has the numbers, so Google ships apps for >>>> it, >>>> and the probably will for a long time. I don't disagree that >>>> platforms other than JavaME are growing and more exciting, >>>> especially >>>> as smartphones grow to be a major portion of the market, but I >>>> want to >>>> dispel the myth that Android (or iPhone, or Palm, etc) have more >>>> marketshare than JavaME. They don't. Smartphones collectively still >>>> have less than 5% of the market. If you want volume today, it's >>>> JavaME. >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
