I didn't realise cyberduck was written in java - and I LOVE that app,
very very handy.

And I don't care as much for portability - if there are reasonable
options on every platform. I don't see anything wrong with what
cyberduck does - but it seems much of the java community does.

On Aug 3, 7:41 am, Fabrizio Giudici <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Patrick Wright wrote:
> > So I think what I'm saying is this: I think it's great that this team
> > is working on a solid-quality, useful app in Java, regardless of the
> > fact that it's not cross-platform. And I think as a community, it
> > might help us if we stopped evaluating desktop Java apps based merely
> > on portability and focused more on their utility, integration, and the
> > quality of their UI. If Java and the JVM don't help us build _better_
> > apps _more easily_ and of _higher quality_ than the alternatives, then
> > there is no reason to advocate them, and an app's portability really
> > doesn't matter.
>
> Well, this is partially right, partially nonsense. :-) I like Cyberduck
> a lot, and it's really well done. But it doesn't make me willing to use
> Mac OS X more than other factors - indeed, it's likely that I'll drop
> Cyberduck sooner or later, as I strive to use _exclusively_ portable
> applications. It's easy to say that portability is useless if you don't
> have to use multiple o.ses. For me it's important, and much more
> important of the cool factor. I understand that Cyberduck author made a
> specific choice to go only with Mac OS X, clearly works for them and for
> Mac OS X users. Not for me.> FWIW, I'd be glad if someone wanted to take on 
> the effort of writing a
> > Swing or SWT UI for Cyberduck, and see how they fare. In fact, it
> > would probably be a great challenge for the next JavaFX
> > competition :).
>
> I'm wondering whether Cyberduck is designed on a good MVC or such - if
> models are well separated, it shouldn't be so hard to write new UIs for
> it; but I wonder why nobody did up to now.
>
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