Patrick wrote: >> Well, this is partially right, partially nonsense. :-) I like Cyberduck >> a lot, and it's really well done. But it doesn't make me willing to use >> Mac OS X more than other factors - indeed, it's likely that I'll drop >> Cyberduck sooner or later, as I strive to use _exclusively_ portable >> applications. It's easy to say that portability is useless if you don't >> have to use multiple o.ses. For me it's important, and much more >> important of the cool factor. I understand that Cyberduck author made a >> specific choice to go only with Mac OS X, clearly works for them and for >> Mac OS X users. Not for me. >> > > I use both OS X and Linux; in terms of hours-per-day, Linux slightly > more than OS X. I care about portability where it matters to me. jEdit > is one of the first installs on any new OS of mine. And IntelliJ does > a great job on both platforms. > > If portability is your main goal, then go to it; I can't criticize > that. My argument is that as a community, we should praise desktop > Java apps which are simply great apps compared to their competition, > even if they only run on one OS, assuming portability is _not_ our > only concern. Praising, and calling out, apps that are written in > In fact, this is the part I agree with. But I don't see the community explicitly avoiding to praise this kind of apps. More likely, the community doesn't realize they are Java apps (a statement that opens a large number of things to discuss...). > Personally, I find that OS X sets a high bar for app usability and > good visual design, and IMO, Cyberduck meets those high standards. We > should expect no less of any apps we recommend and promote. > Agree with this too. Now the guess is: does Cyberduck really needs Cocoa as the only way to meet those standards? Or would it be possible to do the same thing with plain Java + Quaqua + some more fix? Also, playing the devil's advocate, is Java relevant for Cyberduck, considering that it's an application made mostly of UI (which is made in Cocoa)?
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