Right. And interestingly, JSR-295 (beans binding) and JSR-296 (app
framework) was all about living without an explicit model. Swing MVC
is extremely flexible but also complex and verbose making it darn hard
to master (who updates who, and when, in which thread, how to avoid
cycles etc.)

/Casper

On Nov 2, 3:08 am, Christian Catchpole <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Yes, Swing was part of the write-once run anywhere ideology, which
> works fine for the rest of Java, but is somewhat in denial when it
> comes to the GUI.  When people didn't want non-native looking windows
> they had to back fill it with emulation.. which in my opinion is
> totally freakin' stupid.  You can argue that SWT doesn't have a proper
> model, but that would be picking on SWT, not the broader argument of
> emulated vs native.
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